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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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so just think about this lazy gentleman

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wasn't too long ago that we had that

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interview with Joshua P Warren where

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Chris loses his Skype network connection

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and for the last two segments of the

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show we had to do it with a landline he

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had to be on a landline and that was

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adding insult to injury okay

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it's a peer-to-peer communications

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product you can talk from PC to PC Mac

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Windows whatever

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free of charge if you want to use

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regular phones you pay a small fee

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they've got hundreds of millions of

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users

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now unfortunately when you're doing

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things like we do which is trying to do

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group conversations sometimes Skype is

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flaky so guess what happened this week

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Microsoft is gonna pay eight and a half

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billion dollars to buy Skype and if you

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thought Skype was bad before what do you

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think Chris oh boy it's not gonna be

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free for much longer I think they'll

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have to make it free they have to keep

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it free the question is not how they're

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gonna monetize it the question is will

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all the people from Skype all the major

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developers and executives leave the

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company that's what we have to worry

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about you know well it's too big to fail

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right now there's quite a number of

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people now that are switching over to

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Skype and it is very convenient and boy

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it's a lot cheaper calling around the

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world on skype than it is the regular

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AT&T lines the problem though is that

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maybe out of a couple hundred million

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people who use Skype maybe eight million

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pay for the service use the service they

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provide for incoming and outgoing

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telephone calls this sounds almost like

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we're doing the technology show but

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we're thinking here it's really a

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paranormal thing because we've had

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through the years periodic problems with

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certain guests and Skype I never had

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that problem actually did sawdust rings

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- wine yeah but that was because he had

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his cell phone too close to his computer

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it was a pair of truly paranormal

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interview about it as they say they

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didn't take him too nicely also our

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guest last week grant Cameron has gotten

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some abuse in the forums as you've

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noticed yes I mean rapidly playing

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ketchup and well what can you say you

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know we we do get the interesting guests

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on the show guests like grant and I've

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been working in the trenches for years

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and years have a lot of information to

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present and you have to be patient and

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you know we can't be diving in and

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interrupting them every two or three

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sentences to get clarification on things

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when these rattling off all this just

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fascinating stuff so let him go with it

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and then you know I had some fun getting

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clarification on certain points and I

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think all in all went well grant

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he's pretty enthusiastic so it's kind of

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hard to keep the bridle on him well the

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only question I guess we'd have is

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whether he takes some of his sources a

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little too seriously yes well that's

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that's a whole nother issue right we can

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go into that and of course we know those

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people with the birdie names and I don't

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wanna say anything insulting about bird

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plus another word but you wonder if you

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can believe those people like a Rick

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Doty or you know Robert Collins who was

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on the para cast at one time early on

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and he was particularly upset with us

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I have to go revisit that episode oh boy

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it's way back in 2006 we also tried to

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interview Rick Doty now Rick Doty as

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people understand as a former military

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guy who went to work I think as a police

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officer and is supposedly implicated in

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engaging in ufo-related disinformation

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and the one time I talked with him he

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was busy insulting Robert Collins his

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supposed friends saying that Collins

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published this book that he contributed

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material for but he was not the

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co-author and didn't agree with

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everything that was in the book so what

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can you say it's a tough game out there

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speaking of tough games you were out in

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the field this past week in New Mexico

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tell us about it yeah I had a really

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very very interesting arduous 98 trip

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that took me all criss-crossing the

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south end the geologic San Luis Valley

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where you know where you have your

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border with Colorado and New Mexico and

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then the valley kind of comes to a point

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around the Taos area and the Rio Grande

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River Gorge and it's a part of the

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valley that is extremely remote and it's

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very difficult to get get around there

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and Tamas pay one of my field

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investigator friends Sara in the valley

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graciously took rosemary ellen guiley

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and myself around to some specific areas

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that have always intrigued me but I've

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never had the you know really had a good

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reason to spend the amount of time it

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takes to go and explore these areas and

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I was really blown away I mean it is

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very magical down there extremely remote

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Indian artifacts and and stuff galore we

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did almost 60 miles you know in the back

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kind of forest roads and dirt roads

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there and we didn't see a single car all

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day so it just gives you an idea you

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know we did he was close to three 300

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miles that day and the whole portion

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that was done you know kind of off-road

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no we didn't see anybody and it's just a

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very spooky area in some sense of the

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word I've always wondered what goes on

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in the middle of the valley there at the

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south end and have had quite a number of

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reports over the years that talk about

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objects for instance descending into or

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ascending out of this particular region

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and and it was very interesting to

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finally get a chance to go there we did

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investigate our first case that I'm

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really not too sure what to make of it

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but we're gonna have rosemary on this

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show we're going to go ahead and do a

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full pair of pair cast episode and and

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really getting in depth in some of the

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very interesting ins and outs of these

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two cases they're pretty much standalone

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I've not had to very - very interesting

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couples super high-powered extremely

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believable have no lust for publicity

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they don't want their names used but

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they were gracious enough to take us

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into their homes show us around

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give us a blow-by-blow of a series of in

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in the first case multi-year ongoing

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events the second case up in the

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northern end of the valley is an ongoing

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two-year case both of which are just

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pretty much have about everything you

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can imagine in them so I think you know

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without having that time right now to go

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into a lot of detail rosemary and I are

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going to tape the show with Jean here

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this coming week and then that'll be

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broadcast here a couple of weeks down

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the road this sounds like it's gonna be

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a lot of fun yep it was a great trip I

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put about 1,200 miles on you know the

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rent a car and then over there and then

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we did quite a bit of hiking we hiked I

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don't know probably eight miles not nine

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miles total went to some areas and very

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few people get to and it was quite quite

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extraordinary I've got I've got some

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really good secondary interviews that

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I'm looking to put on our new pair cast

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Pro section and it also quite a bit of

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video and photographs and the like so

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it's gonna be good I think we're gonna

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have a lot of fun with that episode it's

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really going to be fascinating and I

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look forward after meeting her she's a

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real charming knowledgeable woman to

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hear more about her research and more

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about the trip that you two took that

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you also recorded some sessions there

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my good friend and mentor David Perkins

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while in Santa Fe and a very interesting

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quick conversation with my brother who

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is one of your unsung heroes in the Maya

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travel business he has a top travel

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service to five countries where you find

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these wonderful we consolidated in some

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cases when newly discovered Mayan ruins

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and his insights into this coming period

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of the 2012 or why to 0 1 2 K as I like

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to call it time period here in the next

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year and a half his insights into this

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whole thing is or is fascinating and

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that's going to be another extra that

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we're going to be presenting in the para

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Castro will tell our listeners more

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week we have an old dear friend of mine

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he's been on occasionally ever since Tim

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Beckley who sometimes called mr. UFO he

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has a long and some people say checkered

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history in UFO research but lots of

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fascinating stories to tell he brought

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on one of his editors who will be

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joining us Tim Schwartz who's actually

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an award-winning journalist so there you

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go Tim Beckley Tim Schwartz I'm Jean

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have Tim and Tim here we have Tim Beck

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Lee sometimes called mr. UFO and we have

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Tim Schwartz who has written a lot of

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articles for a lot of people but does a

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lot of material for Tim I'm Jean

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Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

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you're definitely in the power cast and

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I haven't talked to you two on the show

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for a while

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Tim Swartz you joined us the first year

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right that's correct yes talked about

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Richard shaver oh yeah it's interesting

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we've had other conversations about him

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since then and maybe we'll go back into

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it we also have questions from our

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audience

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Tim Beck Lee for those who haven't heard

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your long and sordid history and UFO

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research well you start out at a good a

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good footing there gene I ask you though

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I have a question for somebody in the

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audience who said how come every time

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you interviewed him he sounds as if he

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has had 20 cups of coffee ten actually

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today I didn't have a chance to have any

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of them I just I ran out the door and

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got some ginger ale and came back just

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in time for the phone to ring that works

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I don't think he's ever sounded like

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he's had 20 cups of coffee like he said

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maybe 10 I was thinking 15 well you know

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I think what I do is I have so much to

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say since I have so many years of

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ufology under my belt and probably a few

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other things that I've always got more

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to say I mean I just never I guess I

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never get tired of this you know it's

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something when you got the UFO bug you

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can't get rid of it it's it's an amazing

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that's amazing phenomena in itself so

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Gina as you know because you and I have

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have known each other since we were

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both heading up teenage UFO groups which

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is a was a early part of ufology going

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back into the 60s there must have been a

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dozen groups that were headed out by

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teenagers some of whom were still active

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in the field and many who have long

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since passed on to other careers lucky

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for them right why did we stick with it

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well that's one of the other things that

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I guess we probably have gone through

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life trying to explain to ourselves now

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I have a theory and that other people

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have you know like you giving me this

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with this idea is that maybe we were

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meant to do this maybe their people

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really do have a career goal or a

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destiny and our destiny is to get the

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word out whatever the word might be

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that's what we're trying to find out

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after all these years what really is the

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word here and we have shuffled through a

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lot of theories a lot of years of

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sightings and abductions supposed

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abductions and Close Encounters and it

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all still just remains a mystery maybe

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it's kind of like Agatha Christie you

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know you want to go back and read the

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next book because it's never quite all

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explained it remains a mystery and

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that's what so fascinating about it I

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still almost as puzzled by the day that

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I had my first UFO sighting which was at

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the age of 10 tell us about the 10 year

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old UFO sighting yeah I've had I've had

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three sightings

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well actually four but the the fourth

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was a drone I mean it was an earth made

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object it wasn't anything

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extra-terrestrial or or even

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interdimensional or time travel or

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anything like that but the three main

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sightings the first one was in the 1957

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I was seated on the front porch of my

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house out of did chairs leave my parents

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home and there had been a lot of UFO

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sightings in 1957 was one of the key UFO

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flat years mainly this Southwest you

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know the sightings level in Texas I

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think that was around that time anyway

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there are a lot of sightings Big Flats

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going up and the flying saucers that's

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what they were called then I don't think

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that the term UFO was actually involved

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flying saucers there there was always a

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little something in the newspaper about

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him so it was a warm summer night and we

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didn't have air conditioning in those

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days and this

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that on the seat out of the front stoop

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someone came running up and what our

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attention to two lights in the sky one

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was directly over an abandoned factory

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building across the street

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Lesko it's leather and the other one

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hovered directly over the the home that

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I resided in though isn't that kind of

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interesting right they come into your

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house of all the places they could have

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picked well I don't know well you could

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say that that's so that's the

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possibility or maybe it was just a

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random sighting I don't like I say there

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were a lot of UFO reports at the time I

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mean you can read more into it but I'm

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not telling you you should it's just

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it's an idea here anyway yeah obviously

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these things rotated in the sky for

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about maybe 15 minutes but one over the

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factory building moved over to the one

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over the house and the one over the

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house was over the factory building

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another one across the street and looked

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like someone had pulled light switch and

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it just disappeared

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the other one stood up there for a while

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finally we went into the house after it

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cooled off and the next day or the

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following day after that there was a

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little item in the newspaper that others

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had had a see this thing in the sky

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these objects in the sky but the

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authorities were saying that there was

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nothing more unusual about it that it

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was weather balloons well I knew if the

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even at the age of 10 gene that this was

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something that seemed to be under

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intelligent control I didn't see any

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landing gear no Martians ways would be

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or thought did not make a contact or

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anything like that

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now I asked you a very important

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question here which is because obviously

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when somebody sees something as a child

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you're 10 years old and now you're a few

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yes yes well it's what happened it's not

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a dramatic sighting but this is what

481
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this is what I recall inside since I

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have yeah you're right I mean a year

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obviously your memory can play tricks on

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you considering the even the abduction

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phenomena now since than all this thing

486
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we could make ourselves booked but I've

487
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told the story so many times that it

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hasn't changed so I still remember I

489
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remember it I mean I remember so that

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was sighting number one I wrote a letter

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to the newspaper I think it was the

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whole news at the time and I start

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getting calls from people who had other

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sightings and I was taking out books

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that a library like Edward rappelled sir

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Porter UFOs and major Donnell key hills

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of flying saucers confidential I think

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that was the book cover edition of one

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of his early titles there you know and

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and the first UFO magazine I bought it

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was the first one published it was

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called mysteries of space or something

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like that

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1950 little 6 7 whatever I I consumed

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anything that I could find on the

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subject why the pull of this again I

507
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guess it goes back to that original

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sighting but there was other paranormal

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things that had happened in the house

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there was lights going on and off the

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doors opening and closing that anything

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related to the UFOs at least they didn't

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realize it at that time now I think

514
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there could be a possible connection so

515
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that was the first sighting I also had

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an experience in Warminster England back

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in the early 1980s I was invited over to

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England by my friend the late Earl of

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clan cardi Brinsley Laporte French to

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speak to the unofficial UFO group that

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was part of the House of Lords that

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Brinsley had started you know now he's

523
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another story here because he wrote

524
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books about ancient astronauts yes he

525
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did the first one the sky people not the

526
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first one because Desmond Leslie wrote

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the opening so you have to consider here

528
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that flying saucers have landed by

529
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Desmond Leslie also someone from Great

530
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Britain was the opening part of the book

531
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that George Adamski was famous for

532
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because it was all about his contact but

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we forget the larger portion of the book

534
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or the most interesting part of the book

535
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:27,060
was his early information that maybe ET

536
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had visited us in ancient times right

537
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and he was a pioneer ok trenchless also

538
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the first or maybe second editor of the

539
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British Flying Saucer review alright

540
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:43,380
we'll talk about that in a moment we got

541
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more to talk about we have Tim Beck Lee

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sometimes called mr. UFO and we have Tim

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Beckley Tim Schwartz the co-host is

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Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're

656
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in the para cast remembering the long

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history of tim buckley in the UFO field

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which becomes in effect a history of UFO

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research so we talked about some of the

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people that he'd met early on of course

661
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the late Brinsley little poor trench who

662
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wrote the book the sky people and you

663
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were about to say something else before

664
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we had a break yes

665
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French was also the editor of the

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original editors of the second one there

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might have been one before I'm the last

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in a few months I'll be very respected

669
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Flying Saucer review the British

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publication but the interesting thing is

671
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:07,640
is that the original Flying Saucer

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review was not to publish that in

673
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England it was published in Brooklyn

674
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probably we're right around the corner

675
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from you a gene the first issue of that

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as far as I could tell what has been

677
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maybe 1950 to 1953 fellow by the name of

678
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:26,450
Elliot Roquemore and of course now the

679
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British Flying Saucer review was a

680
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little bit more polished it was on

681
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glossy paper but remember we're talking

682
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about the the 1950s when printing was

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rather crude I mean compared to what it

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is today

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Elliot Rock more is the publication

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which I think was only about eight eight

687
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or nine pages I I did have a copy of it

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once but it was mainly consisted of all

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the sightings that were going on around

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that time and he was a member of a group

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I guess that he had splintered off from

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called the civilian saucer intelligence

693
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and they put out a civilian the saucer

694
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investigative quarterly well you know

695
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it's increasing civilian saucer

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intelligence ladies and gentlemen CSI of

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New York that's right just like we have

698
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a CSI in New York now they investigate

699
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crime well in the 1950s we had CSI in

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New York that was a pretty respectable

701
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organization though

702
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wasn't it well you know I was never a

703
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member I think I came along probably

704
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just at the end of their reign you can

705
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find some stuff on the internet about

706
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,330
some of these these early groups and and

707
00:29:35,239 --> 00:29:32,159
there's one site that I find absolutely

708
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:35,249
a phenomenal I mean it's just great it's

709
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:39,809
called UFO pop dot org this has magazine

710
00:29:46,969 --> 00:29:44,399
covers going back to 1912 there there

711
00:29:48,979 --> 00:29:46,979
are some you know this has been entirely

712
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entirely missed if you look at some of

713
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these covers and you can you can put you

714
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:52,919
know blow them up on your on your screen

715
00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:56,159
the first UFO photograph is what I call

716
00:30:03,169 --> 00:29:59,580
net idle covers were on a magazine

717
00:30:05,989 --> 00:30:03,179
called modern electronics or a modern

718
00:30:09,739 --> 00:30:05,999
electrics actually number the issue

719
00:30:11,539 --> 00:30:09,749
number 9 December 1911 shows I don't

720
00:30:13,729 --> 00:30:11,549
know what kind of device this is but it

721
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:13,739
looks like a UFO complete with portals

722
00:30:16,669 --> 00:30:15,210
it must have had something to do with

723
00:30:18,919 --> 00:30:16,679
electronics but it doesn't really

724
00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:18,929
explain it on the cover and we don't

725
00:30:24,589 --> 00:30:22,440
have anything else to to go by but there

726
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:24,599
are some of these early magazines that

727
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show flying saucers

728
00:30:32,479 --> 00:30:28,499
they can't be anything else so this

729
00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:32,489
whole idea of a saucer shaped device has

730
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been in the in the consciousness of

731
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people for many many years long before

732
00:30:44,180 --> 00:30:41,899
the Kenneth Arnold sighting you know in

733
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:44,190
1947 but doesn't that kind of put the

734
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line to the contention that flying

735
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saucers represented modern culture I

736
00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:50,700
mean if you can find stories about them

737
00:30:56,089 --> 00:30:53,220
going back to the early part of the 20th

738
00:30:57,919 --> 00:30:56,099
century Wow yes well yes well we know

739
00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:57,929
that there it goes of the the phenomena

740
00:31:04,190 --> 00:30:59,820
itself obviously goes way back before

741
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:04,200
that you've got the UFO flap of the 1897

742
00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:06,210
that were mainly they weren't so much

743
00:31:11,180 --> 00:31:08,700
saucer shaped devices I think most of

744
00:31:13,399 --> 00:31:11,190
those were aerial devices uh some of

745
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:13,409
them were cigar shaped there was a big

746
00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:18,080
flap in Wales in England back around

747
00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:20,190
1900 there are actually even some

748
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:22,470
photographs there's a book that we did

749
00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:24,690
recently called disclosure and it has

750
00:31:28,219 --> 00:31:26,070
some of the photographs in this era

751
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:28,229
they're either clouds or the cigar

752
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:31,020
shaped craft you know the early career

753
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:33,810
of that were photographed by demske most

754
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:35,820
people think that there are seriously

755
00:31:39,170 --> 00:31:37,410
follow gist I think that they are

756
00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:39,180
obvious hoaxes but you know

757
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:41,100
interestingly enough there was a book

758
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:46,890
published around 1885 or 1887 called

759
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:50,010
weller on two planets it was one of the

760
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:51,810
first books that was actually channeled

761
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:54,570
it had some illustration arm would you

762
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:57,000
just slow down here one of the first

763
00:32:01,100 --> 00:31:59,580
books that was what channeled okay

764
00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:01,110
explain to our listeners that's where

765
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someone gets a communication or here's a

766
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:06,510
feel okay well no as I remember the

767
00:32:10,370 --> 00:32:08,460
story and this is a very popular book

768
00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:10,380
it's gone through many publishers in

769
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:13,500
many different editions as I recall the

770
00:32:18,410 --> 00:32:15,810
story is about a young man maybe is 17

771
00:32:21,530 --> 00:32:18,420
or 18 year old teenager who was working

772
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,540
on a ranch seems to be around Mount

773
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:24,000
Shasta or somewhere in California while

774
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:28,530
he was out - checky the the cattle he

775
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:30,690
had an experience where he had seen

776
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,220
something strange in the sky

777
00:32:35,540 --> 00:32:34,320
he went into trance I think right while

778
00:32:38,170 --> 00:32:35,550
he was out of source there at one time

779
00:32:40,550 --> 00:32:38,180
and it started receiving messages from

780
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:40,560
different beings I don't know whether he

781
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:41,730
actually claimed that they were from

782
00:32:45,740 --> 00:32:43,530
outer space it seems to me they might

783
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:45,750
have been tibetan but it's many years

784
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:48,690
since i've actually read the the book

785
00:32:54,410 --> 00:32:51,210
but there were some fascinating drawings

786
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:54,420
that he did in the book of aerial

787
00:32:59,600 --> 00:32:57,450
objects some of them actually submerging

788
00:33:02,720 --> 00:32:59,610
in two bodies of water into the ocean

789
00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:02,730
and so forth they look identical to the

790
00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:04,980
craft that were photographed later

791
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:07,140
supposedly photographed in the early

792
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:10,170
1950s by Professor and I use that in

793
00:33:16,460 --> 00:33:14,250
quotes George Adamski in California ok

794
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:16,470
can we assume them that maybe Adamski

795
00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:19,050
was aware of this yeah yeah yes with

796
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:21,300
that that's one of the the possibilities

797
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:23,580
that he was aware of it or it is a

798
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:26,610
possibility also that Adamski took some

799
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:28,310
photographs in fact I do believe this

800
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:31,710
before his a career started of course

801
00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:34,710
now he was interested in all of this

802
00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:38,420
Tibetan philosophy and the New Age stuff

803
00:33:45,050 --> 00:33:43,230
back as far as the 1930s 1935 we

804
00:33:46,940 --> 00:33:45,060
recently reprinted his

805
00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:46,950
science fiction work that he wrote

806
00:33:52,540 --> 00:33:50,700
around 1947 a prior to his the contact

807
00:33:55,130 --> 00:33:52,550
with the orth on in the space flu

808
00:33:57,380 --> 00:33:55,140
Brotherhood in which he talks about

809
00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:57,390
being taken to other planets this was a

810
00:34:02,270 --> 00:33:59,460
science fiction book people say well he

811
00:34:03,650 --> 00:34:02,280
just rewrote this book and and made it

812
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,660
that book that the co-author with

813
00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:06,240
Desmond Leslie it's not the same I mean

814
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:08,700
I haven't read every page of pioneers in

815
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:11,450
space because it's 400 pages and

816
00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:13,530
identity was not a world the world's

817
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:16,230
greatest writer in fact all of his books

818
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:18,210
outside of maybe pioneers of space where

819
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:20,730
ghosts written but we found that this

820
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,010
paper clipping from - ask you a question

821
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:25,200
before we go on okay yes all the books

822
00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:27,210
were ghost written you say do you know

823
00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:29,460
who wrote the books one person per

824
00:34:36,919 --> 00:34:32,820
memory yes Charlotte blob wrote one

825
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:36,929
called ghost wrote one and Clara Johns

826
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:39,570
my associate for many years it was a

827
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gentleman by the name of Harold Salton

828
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in fact we shared many a good time

829
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together he was headquartered down in

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Washington DC and whenever any of the

831
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contact easily UFO researchers for that

832
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:53,610
fact I came through town because they

833
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lectured widely you know the people like

834
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oh they made a lot of money well they

835
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didn't make money you know being fried

836
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would get on a on a greyhound and

837
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Albuquerque somewhere and it had you

838
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,300
know East that after six months you

839
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didn't maybe you know 25 different towns

840
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or something stayed for free at people's

841
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homes charged fifty to fifty cents in

842
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those days for a lecture you know and

843
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and then would return Albuquerque after

844
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telling the story all over the country

845
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to people who would the fill up small

846
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,090
halls of 100 200 300 people anyway Clara

847
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:29,280
John and Harold read a little listening

848
00:35:35,330 --> 00:35:33,420
post it was a very exciting a newsletter

849
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:35,340
that read about six or eight pages it

850
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was put out whatever there was important

851
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news and for a long time Washington DC

852
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:44,010
was kind of the hub of the UFO field I

853
00:35:49,070 --> 00:35:45,510
mean there was so much activity going on

854
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:49,080
around there as far as sightings many of

855
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them actually made by government you

856
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know workers that necessarily higher-ups

857
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but a government workers in fact them I

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just visited recently out in

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the two sod with Paul Dickie well now I

860
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had met mr. Paul Dickie back in the

861
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1960s because he had had many many

862
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sightings over the Washington DC area

863
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not just witnessed by himself but by

864
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others as well in fact one of the

865
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sightings that was made sure of a

866
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government building included I think

867
00:36:20,269 --> 00:36:19,049
about seven witnesses besides them made

868
00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:20,279
the front page of the Washington Post

869
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most people have forgotten about it but

870
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that's part of the you know the

871
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Washington DC UFO story so the little

872
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listening post was the place that people

873
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stopped and Herald my friend Harold got

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to know Adamski and the way naho and all

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these people on a personal basis all the

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parties tim got to do the break we have

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Tim Buckley mr. UFO Tim Schwartz the

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entered the pair guests

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we returned with Tim Beckley Tim

980
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Schwartz on the podcast with gene and

981
00:41:38,780 --> 00:41:35,390
Chris exploring Tim's long and sometimes

982
00:41:41,420 --> 00:41:38,790
rather shaky history as a UFO researcher

983
00:41:43,309 --> 00:41:41,430
going back to the early years and we're

984
00:41:45,260 --> 00:41:43,319
talking about this Washington DC

985
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,270
movement the little listening post some

986
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:47,520
of these early contactees and all that I

987
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,089
think the question a lot of people ask

988
00:41:56,839 --> 00:41:53,280
you've published books by so many people

989
00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:56,849
of different persuasions but what is Tim

990
00:42:00,260 --> 00:41:59,220
Buckley believed well like everybody

991
00:42:02,270 --> 00:42:00,270
else in the field

992
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:02,280
I started out believing that flying

993
00:42:07,609 --> 00:42:04,890
saucers were from outer space

994
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:07,619
that we were visiting being visited I

995
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,420
was never a big believer in the

996
00:42:13,819 --> 00:42:11,640
contactees I enjoyed their stories I

997
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:13,829
stayed up late at night listening to

998
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:16,530
Long John Neville would guess like

999
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George Van Tassel who built a time

1000
00:42:23,809 --> 00:42:21,180
machine the rejuvenation machine

1001
00:42:25,579 --> 00:42:23,819
integratron in the desert in the town of

1002
00:42:28,549 --> 00:42:25,589
Landers it still stands after this

1003
00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:28,559
nineteen he had on Howard manager Howard

1004
00:42:33,049 --> 00:42:30,420
was a great guy in fact I didn't

1005
00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:33,059
personally in the early days when he

1006
00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:34,740
first started telling his stories he

1007
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,329
looked like a soap opera star you know

1008
00:42:42,589 --> 00:42:38,720
very chiseled face and handsome and he

1009
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:42,599
led it was quite a dashing figure that's

1010
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:44,609
your question parenthetically when

1011
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:46,920
Howard manager went on Long John

1012
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:49,380
Neville's TV show very short-lived TV

1013
00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:51,839
show maybe it lasted a season you know

1014
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:53,460
long john was the kind of person who

1015
00:42:58,130 --> 00:42:56,490
worked great on radio and i grok this I

1016
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,140
understand it because I'm the kind of

1017
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:00,480
person who I think works best on radio

1018
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:02,490
I'd never even tried TV I've been on TV

1019
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,650
a few times and you and I to him we have

1020
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:07,200
the face for radio okay so he gets this

1021
00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:08,010
interview

1022
00:43:13,099 --> 00:43:10,740
okay I'm laying that sit there he gets

1023
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:13,109
this interview he does his interview

1024
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,510
with manager manager kind of begins to

1025
00:43:19,789 --> 00:43:18,240
recant the case well maybe he was the

1026
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:19,799
victim of government disinformation

1027
00:43:24,020 --> 00:43:22,530
something like that now he said the same

1028
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:24,030
thing to Jim Mosely and me in the

1029
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:26,760
sixties we had lunch with him and he was

1030
00:43:31,849 --> 00:43:28,170
telling me the same story you know what

1031
00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:31,859
maybe I was just part of some kind of

1032
00:43:35,299 --> 00:43:33,750
government experiment what do you think

1033
00:43:37,579 --> 00:43:35,309
yeah let me let me tell the story

1034
00:43:39,089 --> 00:43:37,589
because like I said I I knew Howard in

1035
00:43:40,529 --> 00:43:39,099
fact he had rich

1036
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,539
tired if you remember he was a sign

1037
00:43:44,609 --> 00:43:42,160
painter and he lived in a high bridge

1038
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,619
New Jersey supposedly these crafts were

1039
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:47,440
landing in his apple orchard behind his

1040
00:43:52,109 --> 00:43:50,170
house beings humanoid beings in space

1041
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:52,119
brother had types for coming out of the

1042
00:43:55,979 --> 00:43:54,249
craft and walking around at night and

1043
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:55,989
Howard was seen going into the field and

1044
00:44:01,170 --> 00:43:58,450
perhaps is having a conversation with

1045
00:44:03,299 --> 00:44:01,180
these beings it could never actually be

1046
00:44:05,249 --> 00:44:03,309
substantiated to a large degree it was

1047
00:44:08,130 --> 00:44:05,259
whether you know whether you were a

1048
00:44:09,569 --> 00:44:08,140
believer or one of the faithful or there

1049
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:09,579
were people that were skeptical but you

1050
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:11,910
know I had the opportunity to talk to

1051
00:44:15,749 --> 00:44:13,930
independent people some people who

1052
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:15,759
didn't got even no mentor who had had

1053
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:17,529
sightings on the property they had seen

1054
00:44:23,309 --> 00:44:20,650
craft land they had followed these

1055
00:44:25,410 --> 00:44:23,319
beings into the thickets of the trees

1056
00:44:28,499 --> 00:44:25,420
the wooded areas at all they had seen

1057
00:44:31,140 --> 00:44:28,509
the the craft so there was something

1058
00:44:32,609 --> 00:44:31,150
going on there for a long time now I

1059
00:44:35,099 --> 00:44:32,619
think it got to the point in Howard's

1060
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:35,109
life where he was being pestered you

1061
00:44:38,579 --> 00:44:36,729
know especially back in those days well

1062
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:38,589
people contact you on the internet now

1063
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,729
but most people don't get out their

1064
00:44:43,229 --> 00:44:41,680
phone number and I certainly for one

1065
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:43,239
have never given up my address because

1066
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:45,910
I've had threats on my life that's from

1067
00:44:50,910 --> 00:44:48,880
the men in black but from deranged fans

1068
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:50,920
I mean there's some of these people

1069
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:52,690
obviously who followed the subject are

1070
00:44:57,839 --> 00:44:56,170
not fully arranged upstairs but anyway

1071
00:44:59,729 --> 00:44:57,849
there did seem to be something strange

1072
00:45:01,140 --> 00:44:59,739
going on at Howard's so I think he got

1073
00:45:02,999 --> 00:45:01,150
to the point where he was being pestered

1074
00:45:05,009 --> 00:45:03,009
so much that he couldn't go on with his

1075
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:05,019
daily life also he had children and a

1076
00:45:08,999 --> 00:45:07,599
wife and so forth and it's maybe a

1077
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:09,009
little bit embarrassing to go to high

1078
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:11,170
school right and and everybody knows

1079
00:45:15,539 --> 00:45:13,089
that your father is a UFO contactee

1080
00:45:17,729 --> 00:45:15,549
that's kind of woo you know kind of out

1081
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:17,739
there right so he did back off for a

1082
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:18,249
while

1083
00:45:22,890 --> 00:45:20,890
but then years later he made a return to

1084
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:22,900
the field he didn't make a big splash

1085
00:45:28,049 --> 00:45:25,119
most of the magazine's I just didn't

1086
00:45:29,609 --> 00:45:28,059
recover his return but he did show up at

1087
00:45:31,769 --> 00:45:29,619
a couple of conferences that we gave you

1088
00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:31,779
know we organized fairly big events out

1089
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,400
there in Phoenix you attended a couple

1090
00:45:38,009 --> 00:45:35,680
of them they drew huge crowds of five or

1091
00:45:40,589 --> 00:45:38,019
six hundred which were UFO weekend is

1092
00:45:42,089 --> 00:45:40,599
certainly a very largely a crowd and and

1093
00:45:44,249 --> 00:45:42,099
he told me but back to telling the

1094
00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:44,259
original story so what was his excuse

1095
00:45:51,089 --> 00:45:48,670
what was his reason to remember he never

1096
00:45:52,620 --> 00:45:51,099
really said but he did have some

1097
00:45:53,250 --> 00:45:52,630
experiences he claims with the men in

1098
00:45:55,590 --> 00:45:53,260
black

1099
00:45:58,770 --> 00:45:55,600
he was visited a couple of times by the

1100
00:46:00,690 --> 00:45:58,780
FBI so I I don't I don't think he ever

1101
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:00,700
really explained it but then he didn't

1102
00:46:04,859 --> 00:46:02,410
really have to I I don't think he ever

1103
00:46:06,450 --> 00:46:04,869
said everything that he did was a you

1104
00:46:09,630 --> 00:46:06,460
know something that was set up by the

1105
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:09,640
the government I would like to talk he

1106
00:46:12,990 --> 00:46:11,920
liked to tell a great yarn no doubt

1107
00:46:15,660 --> 00:46:13,000
about that

1108
00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:15,670
in fact I wrote a very lengthy 40 page

1109
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:18,670
article for us Oh magazine they wanted

1110
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:20,110
me to write it I spent a lot of time

1111
00:46:22,260 --> 00:46:20,800
researching it

1112
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:22,270
they never published it because they

1113
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:24,730
wanted to publish 40 pages on Emma wood

1114
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:27,250
instead so now the article is out there

1115
00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:29,050
whether we don't want to talk about Emma

1116
00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:31,240
wood okay no I certainly don't

1117
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,310
and it's a big waste of time anyway but

1118
00:46:38,340 --> 00:46:35,680
anyway I you know I think Howard had

1119
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:38,350
something going for them for him as well

1120
00:46:43,590 --> 00:46:41,050
as some of these other early experiences

1121
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:43,600
safe perhaps the mystic barber I don't

1122
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:47,290
ever believe oh boy wait a minute here

1123
00:46:54,660 --> 00:46:49,570
now the mystic barber I met him a couple

1124
00:46:58,020 --> 00:46:54,670
of times distant cousin to the other

1125
00:47:00,750 --> 00:46:58,030
Sinatra correct and he was a tensorial

1126
00:47:03,090 --> 00:47:00,760
artist a barber of course and nowadays

1127
00:47:07,140 --> 00:47:03,100
though you see it's a hairstylist in

1128
00:47:10,650 --> 00:47:07,150
those days dollars for a haircut you're

1129
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:10,660
a barber attend ours for a haircut if

1130
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:12,730
you're a barber but if you say I'm a

1131
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:16,390
hairstylist it's $5 and I'm sure any

1132
00:47:20,460 --> 00:47:18,130
selected with a sketchy here for a buck

1133
00:47:23,070 --> 00:47:20,470
in those days and told you the story

1134
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:23,080
well now he was the first person with

1135
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,850
the antenna on his head if you remember

1136
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:27,520
correctly he walk around with some sort

1137
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:29,770
of tinfoil because he claims it blocked

1138
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:32,710
out the negative arrays or the the bad

1139
00:47:36,330 --> 00:47:34,390
space people or maybe at the attracted

1140
00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:36,340
to you the good rays of the goodness

1141
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:37,840
space of the people but he was a

1142
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:39,730
character and he always showed up at gym

1143
00:47:43,890 --> 00:47:42,490
Mosley's meetings and you know you could

1144
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:43,900
say well the guy was totally off the

1145
00:47:48,570 --> 00:47:45,970
wall but he was kind of humorous and and

1146
00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:48,580
there wouldn't that be a UFO meeting if

1147
00:47:53,550 --> 00:47:51,070
Andy didn't show up there were a couple

1148
00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:53,560
of characters there was also Alex McNeil

1149
00:47:59,849 --> 00:47:55,750
I know do you remember Alex yes I did

1150
00:48:03,120 --> 00:47:59,859
tell our listeners who Alice McNeal was

1151
00:48:05,550 --> 00:48:03,130
6 foot P he was certainly the world's

1152
00:48:08,910 --> 00:48:05,560
tallest contactee

1153
00:48:09,690 --> 00:48:08,920
the tallest a tale teller of any of the

1154
00:48:12,030 --> 00:48:09,700
contactees

1155
00:48:14,250 --> 00:48:12,040
he lived in Flushing New York and he

1156
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,260
claimed that he was walking guys thanks

1157
00:48:19,410 --> 00:48:16,240
to the city I'm 40 or something looking

1158
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:19,420
for tires and he had an experience where

1159
00:48:24,180 --> 00:48:22,450
he saw a UFO land and little beings came

1160
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:24,190
out of the ship and he talked about that

1161
00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:25,930
experience I think maybe he had some

1162
00:48:30,210 --> 00:48:28,150
telepathic activity going on but then

1163
00:48:32,460 --> 00:48:30,220
after that but he talked about that

1164
00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:32,470
experience at every opportunity well

1165
00:48:37,740 --> 00:48:35,380
people would say well Alex was coming to

1166
00:48:39,780 --> 00:48:37,750
talk tail but I think he believes his

1167
00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:39,790
story now he disappeared from the New

1168
00:48:43,710 --> 00:48:41,500
York UFO scene because there isn't much

1169
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,720
of a New York UFO speed for many many

1170
00:48:47,820 --> 00:48:45,280
years but he actually called me on the

1171
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:47,830
phone about a year ago he's living down

1172
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:50,440
in North Carolina he's still around how

1173
00:48:54,420 --> 00:48:52,450
old I was and he's probably grown

1174
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:54,430
another 2 inches well I don't know I

1175
00:48:59,250 --> 00:48:56,410
would say he's got to be certainly it is

1176
00:49:01,500 --> 00:48:59,260
17 all these people now these were

1177
00:49:03,210 --> 00:49:01,510
characters you didn't necessarily have

1178
00:49:06,210 --> 00:49:03,220
to take anything these people said

1179
00:49:07,770 --> 00:49:06,220
seriously okay this is where people

1180
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:07,780
confuse me okay

1181
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:09,610
people say well you published these

1182
00:49:15,150 --> 00:49:12,250
books by so-and-so and you speak highly

1183
00:49:19,110 --> 00:49:15,160
of so-and-so and their stories I don't

1184
00:49:20,910 --> 00:49:19,120
believe them well you have UFOs as craft

1185
00:49:22,890 --> 00:49:20,920
the phenomena of the sightings of the

1186
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:22,900
landings in the contacts and then you

1187
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:26,290
have UFOs as a top culture as part of

1188
00:49:30,330 --> 00:49:28,690
the culture of Americana but not only

1189
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:30,340
here in the United States because we

1190
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:33,000
know this goes on it has gone on for

1191
00:49:38,910 --> 00:49:36,880
decades all over the world in fact our

1192
00:49:42,540 --> 00:49:38,920
publications the conspiracy journal is

1193
00:49:44,820 --> 00:49:42,550
now being put out in Romania it is the

1194
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:44,830
first the paranormal UFO publication put

1195
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,930
out in Romania and it has a bigger

1196
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,880
circulation over there than our American

1197
00:49:55,170 --> 00:49:50,800
edition does I believe it and don't say

1198
00:49:56,910 --> 00:49:55,180
was published in Transylvania please in

1199
00:49:59,850 --> 00:49:56,920
fact we haven't even done an article on

1200
00:50:03,570 --> 00:49:59,860
Dracula yet although baby next week

1201
00:50:05,340 --> 00:50:03,580
perhaps okay all right so obviously

1202
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:05,350
there's a lot of conspiracies to explore

1203
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:06,850
in fact just a few weeks ago we had

1204
00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:09,010
former governor Jesse Ventura on the

1205
00:50:14,490 --> 00:50:11,830
show and we had a full three-hour

1206
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:14,500
episode I think it was one of the best

1207
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:16,330
he's done I've heard him on our shows

1208
00:50:19,290 --> 00:50:18,130
but he didn't seem to enjoy it as much

1209
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:19,300
as he enjoyed the power

1210
00:50:24,060 --> 00:50:21,250
just telling us about the Kennedy

1211
00:50:26,850 --> 00:50:24,070
assassination about 9/11 all the crazy

1212
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:26,860
conspiracies and you kind of wear many

1213
00:50:31,650 --> 00:50:29,170
hats here Tim you cover the conspiracies

1214
00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:31,660
you cover the paranormal you cover the

1215
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:34,630
UFOs but is there a little glint in your

1216
00:50:38,370 --> 00:50:36,730
eyes saying you know folks it's

1217
00:50:39,630 --> 00:50:38,380
interesting it's a good story but I

1218
00:50:42,510 --> 00:50:39,640
don't believe all this stuff

1219
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:42,520
oh well I think all he Roberts first

1220
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:44,650
said he had a phrase here he said I

1221
00:50:50,670 --> 00:50:47,110
believe in everything and nothing and I

1222
00:50:52,170 --> 00:50:50,680
believe you know you can't find out

1223
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:52,180
what's going on unless you investigate

1224
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:54,010
these things I mean so that's the point

1225
00:50:58,530 --> 00:50:56,710
also what you're interested in I may not

1226
00:51:01,320 --> 00:50:58,540
be interested in so when we put out a

1227
00:51:03,390 --> 00:51:01,330
book or publish an article it may be

1228
00:51:05,220 --> 00:51:03,400
something that doesn't particularly even

1229
00:51:06,780 --> 00:51:05,230
interest me I mean my interest in

1230
00:51:09,690 --> 00:51:06,790
conspiracies relies more in the

1231
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:09,700
paranormal and then the UFO stuff not so

1232
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:13,330
much in the 9/11 or 2012 or any of this

1233
00:51:18,210 --> 00:51:16,720
other you guys say in other word but we

1234
00:51:21,180 --> 00:51:18,220
can't allow you to say it on commercial

1235
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:21,190
radio listen we have Tim Beck Lee he is

1236
00:51:24,540 --> 00:51:23,170
also called mr. UFO and a little bit

1237
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:24,550
later he'll tell you how you can

1238
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:27,790
subscribe to his newsletter give all his

1239
00:51:31,530 --> 00:51:29,530
mailings of course there's news

1240
00:51:33,780 --> 00:51:31,540
information and of course he's selling

1241
00:51:35,970 --> 00:51:33,790
books Tim Schwartz is here too he'll

1242
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:35,980
talk more in our next hour the co-host

1243
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:38,290
is Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg

1244
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:49,710
[Music]

1245
00:51:54,460 --> 00:51:52,400
hi this is Ted Anderson if you'd like to

1246
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:54,470
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1247
00:51:57,580 --> 00:51:55,520
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1248
00:51:59,800 --> 00:51:57,590
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1250
00:52:04,030 --> 00:52:02,119
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1251
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:04,040
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1252
00:52:07,450 --> 00:52:05,450
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1253
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1257
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:16,250
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1258
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:18,410
for listening to GC and live.com again

1259
00:52:22,210 --> 00:52:20,930
that's juicy and live.com hi this is Ted

1260
00:52:24,250 --> 00:52:22,220
Anderson have you ever wondered why

1261
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:24,260
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

1262
00:52:28,570 --> 00:52:26,210
won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

1263
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:28,580
available since 1986 yet the financial

1264
00:52:31,630 --> 00:52:30,290
industry won't recognize the value of

1265
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:31,640
gold free retirement

1266
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:33,530
gold has outperformed paper investments

1267
00:52:48,510 --> 00:52:35,690
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

1268
00:52:48,520 --> 00:53:06,080
806-853-9949

1269
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:08,360
it's interesting ladies and gentlemen

1270
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,650
that when Chris said the power cast I

1271
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:12,240
don't know if you heard it but this very

1272
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:14,850
loud motorcycle passed us by at our

1273
00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:16,170
studio there you go

1274
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,640
Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm gene

1275
00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:19,200
Steinberg you're back with the power

1276
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,900
cast with Tim Beck Lee mr. UFO and Tim

1277
00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:24,480
Swartz Tim Tim number two or the other

1278
00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:26,520
Tim welcome back to the show it's been

1279
00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:28,200
what five years since we had you on

1280
00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:30,780
before tell our listeners how you got

1281
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:33,630
into this why are you writing stuff

1282
00:53:38,930 --> 00:53:36,720
about the strange the unknown oh well

1283
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:38,940
like like a lot of other people like

1284
00:53:44,690 --> 00:53:42,090
yourself gene and mr. Beck Lee I got

1285
00:53:48,260 --> 00:53:44,700
into this when I was a kid though

1286
00:53:50,690 --> 00:53:48,270
actually I was I was a drug into it

1287
00:53:54,140 --> 00:53:50,700
kicking and screaming when I was a kid I

1288
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:54,150
had you know no interested and UFOs the

1289
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:55,770
paranormal or anything like that

1290
00:54:00,920 --> 00:53:58,410
living in Indianapolis Indiana I was I

1291
00:54:03,620 --> 00:54:00,930
was interested in racecars that's a

1292
00:54:05,210 --> 00:54:03,630
Indianapolis 500 abscess what I was into

1293
00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:05,220
well this probably took place what in

1294
00:54:11,890 --> 00:54:09,510
the middle 1960s there was a small UFO

1295
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:11,900
flap going on in the United States our

1296
00:54:17,090 --> 00:54:14,220
classroom assignments I think I was

1297
00:54:20,780 --> 00:54:17,100
around in third grade was we were each

1298
00:54:22,700 --> 00:54:20,790
given a newspaper headline and we were

1299
00:54:25,610 --> 00:54:22,710
to do a stand up a report on it

1300
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:25,620
naturally was as luck would have it or

1301
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:28,440
fate intervened when you know everyone

1302
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:31,920
say it I got a story about flying

1303
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:34,740
saucers and so I mean you know I did my

1304
00:54:39,590 --> 00:54:36,780
report presented it in front of the

1305
00:54:41,090 --> 00:54:39,600
class from that day on I was the flying

1306
00:54:42,650 --> 00:54:41,100
saucer guy you know I was the guy who

1307
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:42,660
believed in Martians and you know a

1308
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:44,490
little green man and all that you know

1309
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:46,290
yeah you know how kids are I mean

1310
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:47,640
they're always they're always trying to

1311
00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:50,880
find something on you so I was a flying

1312
00:54:56,420 --> 00:54:53,940
saucer guy you know he believes in

1313
00:55:00,500 --> 00:54:56,430
flying saucers and but the funny thing

1314
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:00,510
about it is was that as they would make

1315
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,810
fun of me to my face later on when

1316
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:06,240
nobody else was around people would come

1317
00:55:10,850 --> 00:55:08,730
to me kids would come to me and say well

1318
00:55:12,990 --> 00:55:10,860
you know my family and I we saw this

1319
00:55:16,890 --> 00:55:13,000
strange light in the sky

1320
00:55:19,830 --> 00:55:16,900
and then that's what started peeking my

1321
00:55:22,020 --> 00:55:19,840
interest in this phenomena is that

1322
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,030
people would joke about it and you know

1323
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:24,640
you know white saucers a little green

1324
00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:26,530
man and then they would turn around but

1325
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:28,900
nobody else was uh it was around and say

1326
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,650
well I saw such-and-such I've seen I saw

1327
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:35,440
UFO and that's how it started for me and

1328
00:55:41,250 --> 00:55:38,530
it's it's it the personal reports from

1329
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:41,260
people that really got my got my

1330
00:55:45,380 --> 00:55:43,090
interest and what really got me going

1331
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:45,390
and in fact that's where I've kind of

1332
00:55:52,350 --> 00:55:49,570
specialized over the years is doing or

1333
00:55:55,050 --> 00:55:52,360
are finding these people who have had

1334
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:55,060
these experiences but don't want to talk

1335
00:55:59,400 --> 00:55:57,250
about it you know you you're not gonna

1336
00:56:02,820 --> 00:55:59,410
read read about them in the newspaper or

1337
00:56:07,530 --> 00:56:02,830
see them on the 6 o'clock news but but

1338
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:07,540
they want somebody to to talk to to talk

1339
00:56:12,090 --> 00:56:09,970
about they they want a validation that

1340
00:56:15,660 --> 00:56:12,100
the experience that they had was real

1341
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:15,670
that they're not crazy or are seeing

1342
00:56:20,820 --> 00:56:18,250
things you don't like that and you know

1343
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:20,830
a lot of times they're relatives you

1344
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:22,090
know these people's relatives will

1345
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contact me and say I have a

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brother-in-law who had an unusual

1347
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experience and he's got nobody to talk

1348
00:56:32,310 --> 00:56:30,820
to you know would you would you talk to

1349
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him and that's where it's that where

1350
00:56:36,810 --> 00:56:34,570
it's gone from there not so much you

1351
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know the the nuts and bolts aspect of

1352
00:56:41,370 --> 00:56:39,040
the phenomena but more the personal

1353
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:41,380
experiences and like I said you know as

1354
00:56:45,930 --> 00:56:43,690
especially the personal experiences of

1355
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:45,940
people who don't want to talk about it I

1356
00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:48,250
would say that probably out of all of

1357
00:56:52,350 --> 00:56:50,350
the UFO reports that we hear about in

1358
00:56:55,380 --> 00:56:52,360
the media or on the internet there's

1359
00:56:59,850 --> 00:56:55,390
probably that's probably like 5 percent

1360
00:57:03,450 --> 00:56:59,860
maybe less of all the actual UFO and and

1361
00:57:05,460 --> 00:57:03,460
then the subsequent sideline experiences

1362
00:57:07,290 --> 00:57:05,470
that also go along with with the

1363
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:07,300
phenomena you know you'll never hear

1364
00:57:10,890 --> 00:57:08,890
about those parts of it you know I mean

1365
00:57:12,270 --> 00:57:10,900
you'll never hear those reports because

1366
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:12,280
these people don't want to talk about it

1367
00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:14,050
they're afraid to talk about it what

1368
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:15,790
you're describing Tim sounds like the

1369
00:57:20,670 --> 00:57:18,370
whole first phase of modern ufology was

1370
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:20,680
basically you know a grassroots kind of

1371
00:57:24,420 --> 00:57:21,970
network of people hearing about

1372
00:57:25,740 --> 00:57:24,430
sightings and and finding out that there

1373
00:57:28,590 --> 00:57:25,750
are people out there that are in

1374
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enough in non-judgemental enough to to

1375
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:31,090
go ahead and refer their friends or

1376
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:32,290
their relatives to a person like

1377
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:35,110
yourself or Tim or gene how do you think

1378
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:36,640
the Internet is changing that today I

1379
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:39,090
mean I I see what major changes myself

1380
00:57:44,730 --> 00:57:42,130
is this a change for the better or do we

1381
00:57:47,820 --> 00:57:44,740
have to deal with even more noise within

1382
00:57:50,910 --> 00:57:47,830
the signal well certainly the Internet

1383
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:50,920
has introduced a lot of as you say noise

1384
00:57:55,890 --> 00:57:53,680
- there's a lot of a lot of static Alaia

1385
00:57:59,490 --> 00:57:55,900
the water has been muddied quite a bit

1386
00:58:02,640 --> 00:57:59,500
you know before the internet most of the

1387
00:58:04,530 --> 00:58:02,650
way that people communicated was you

1388
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:04,540
know either by you know letters writing

1389
00:58:08,430 --> 00:58:05,680
you know writing back for with each

1390
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:08,440
other or or you know UFO magazines which

1391
00:58:12,690 --> 00:58:09,760
you know there's not too many of those

1392
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:12,700
anymore and and a lot of times I would

1393
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:14,710
say that the Internet has really

1394
00:58:20,070 --> 00:58:18,370
introduced the the the easy hoaxer so to

1395
00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:20,080
speak because a lot of people can

1396
00:58:26,010 --> 00:58:23,710
introduce UFO videos or float

1397
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:26,020
photographs or stories anonymously

1398
00:58:31,830 --> 00:58:29,890
without a shred of truth or revocation I

1399
00:58:35,130 --> 00:58:31,840
mean as you well know it's so easy

1400
00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:35,140
nowadays to to photoshop a UFO and they

1401
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:37,720
yeah UFO photos and videos have become

1402
00:58:43,590 --> 00:58:42,130
almost worthless I mean that video as

1403
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:43,600
well you know it used to be you know ya

1404
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:47,410
have a good UFO film you know back when

1405
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:49,210
people have still had super 8 millimeter

1406
00:58:54,060 --> 00:58:51,490
cameras you know you can tell the

1407
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:54,070
difference between somebody hanging a

1408
00:58:59,070 --> 00:58:55,690
frisbee on a string in front of a camera

1409
00:59:00,900 --> 00:58:59,080
let's not bring great boy here and and

1410
00:59:02,820 --> 00:59:00,910
and and something that's that's really

1411
00:59:06,330 --> 00:59:02,830
actually you know up in the sky and

1412
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:06,340
nowadays just go to youtube and you can

1413
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:08,530
submit there's a plethora of I mean

1414
00:59:16,380 --> 00:59:12,130
absolutely really extremely well done

1415
00:59:18,690 --> 00:59:16,390
CGI videos of UFOs a lot of times you

1416
00:59:21,770 --> 00:59:18,700
know these are done you know by kids on

1417
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:21,780
their on their computers using the

1418
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:24,970
easily accessible software so so yes I

1419
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:27,310
mean the the water has been muddied

1420
00:59:32,310 --> 00:59:30,490
quite a bit the waters always been muddy

1421
00:59:34,590 --> 00:59:32,320
in this field I mean it you had you

1422
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:34,600
straights letters you had your fake UFO

1423
00:59:39,490 --> 00:59:37,330
photographs you had your clowns from

1424
00:59:42,430 --> 00:59:39,500
outer space I mean it has

1425
00:59:45,070 --> 00:59:42,440
it's become more widespread I mean

1426
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:45,080
obviously I mean now when you get a good

1427
00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:47,450
YouTube video like the one in the

1428
00:59:51,970 --> 00:59:49,910
Jerusalem a million and they have people

1429
00:59:54,610 --> 00:59:51,980
have seen that and it's been on the you

1430
00:59:57,310 --> 00:59:54,620
know on the regular news and yeah we

1431
00:59:58,810 --> 00:59:57,320
think it's fake in fact it turns out and

1432
01:00:00,970 --> 00:59:58,820
I don't think most people know this that

1433
01:00:02,740 --> 01:00:00,980
they're too far there's two different

1434
01:00:04,810 --> 01:00:02,750
images or maybe there's up to four now

1435
01:00:07,660 --> 01:00:04,820
but clear the main one was taken by a

1436
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:07,670
fellow who does film for a living I mean

1437
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:09,920
he makes low-budget movies and it turns

1438
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:13,130
out that the other crew were people that

1439
01:00:16,540 --> 01:00:14,960
worked with him I think he talked Phil

1440
01:00:20,380 --> 01:00:16,550
he teaches film or something it turns

1441
01:00:22,210 --> 01:00:20,390
out that the the other serious was taken

1442
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:22,220
by some of his students but they claimed

1443
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:23,510
that they didn't hopes that her know

1444
01:00:27,490 --> 01:00:25,280
that the other one was taking the photo

1445
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:27,500
so it was just a synchronicity anyway

1446
01:00:31,870 --> 01:00:29,810
say well that's a terrible lie but you

1447
01:00:35,230 --> 01:00:31,880
know something synchronicity plays an

1448
01:00:37,180 --> 01:00:35,240
awful big part in UFOs I've had some

1449
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:37,190
secret isset ease that you just can't

1450
01:00:41,290 --> 01:00:39,410
explain they are well beyond

1451
01:00:45,070 --> 01:00:41,300
coincidences there's something about

1452
01:00:47,770 --> 01:00:45,080
UFOs and see for the city that is just

1453
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:47,780
not all right Tim sorry you raised the

1454
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:51,110
specter of synchronicity and we had Mike

1455
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:52,490
Cleland who was talking about

1456
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:54,890
synchronicity on a couple of episodes of

1457
01:00:58,540 --> 01:00:56,810
the power cast we don't have a much time

1458
01:01:01,240 --> 01:00:58,550
with this particular segment but could

1459
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:01,250
you start us off on synchronicity okay

1460
01:01:05,860 --> 01:01:03,530
well let me tell you a couple of a

1461
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couple of Sigma recipes right now I

1462
01:01:10,990 --> 01:01:08,960
don't know I don't know what this what

1463
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:11,000
they mean but there's something here

1464
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:13,280
okay I was giving you a lecture in San

1465
01:01:17,350 --> 01:01:15,410
Francisco this goes back I don't know if

1466
01:01:20,830 --> 01:01:17,360
you remember Dale reading he was one of

1467
01:01:23,410 --> 01:01:20,840
the teenagers well one year he ran the

1468
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Congress of scientific apology the UFO

1469
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groups that Jim started and of course

1470
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:28,460
there were rotating sponsors promoters

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01:01:32,650 --> 01:01:30,290
of the different shows so he ran in a

1472
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very nice size Hall in San Francisco I

1473
01:01:35,410 --> 01:01:33,710
remember there was even a balcony

1474
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probably about three four hundred people

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there and I went out and made a

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presentation had a slide lecture you

1477
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know gave my talk stayed for a few days

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very congenial hosts and a lot of nice

1479
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you know members that were into the

1480
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subject and we spent some time together

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well I had a flight back to New York on

1482
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the Sunday

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some time to kill so we decided around

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eleven or nude to go out and have brunch

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so we were in the the hardest San

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Francisco

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we picked the place at random I had

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never been to San Francisco before my

1489
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host had never been to this particular

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restaurant but it looked nice and

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cleaned and we wanted a Bloody Mary in a

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beer and so we decided to have our eggs

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benedict there what inside we were just

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chatting away and I happened to mention

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I said you know Jesus with a little bit

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of foresight I should have called some

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of the people that I knew in New York

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that moved out to the west coast to have

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them come to the my presentation and I

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happen to mention this fellow that I

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we're back Tim Beckley Tim Schwartz

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synchronicity on the table Jean and

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Chris here I'm the power cast Tim pick

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up okay so I'm a Bloody Mary with my the

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promoter and his wife and a few friends

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talking about how I should've called

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some of these people beforehand and

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perhaps invited them and started talking

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about this fellow that I always enjoy

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spending some time with his name was

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Alan before he had moved from New York

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where he was a full-time US I could get

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he lectured for our school of occult

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Arts and Sciences I said I should have

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given him a call but I forgot to and I

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don't know where he's living I know he's

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in San Francisco editing this very

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prestigious magazine five minutes later

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this fellow walks through the door with

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this little dog on a leash looks around

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and I look at him and I said are you

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Alan fog he said yes are you Tim Beckley

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and I said yes I am I mean what is the

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chances what a San Francisco got a

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million eight hundred thousand people he

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had never been in this restaurant before

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he came and sat down with us and we had

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a good laugh about it and I said well

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Alan what are you working on these days

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he says have more he got a book on

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synchronicity and I guess this is going

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to be in the book so she could find his

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little paperback book he's long since

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deceased and you look for k17 you'll

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find this little episode about meeting

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this to the gentleman in the heart of

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San Francisco totally unaware that that

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I was in town and that he lived in the

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vicinity how do you explain that what

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does it mean I don't know here's another

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one Jean I think it as quick as possible

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because we have a lot of things to

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discuss I'm on the Long John Devil show

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the day after I'm on the program I get a

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telephone call from a young lady who

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does a column for it New York magazine

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it was the last thing in the magazine it

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was called best bets it was a listing

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like the top ten the restaurants the top

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ten whatever

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okay she said I heard you on the long

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01:09:15,150 --> 01:09:13,180
John show last night and I want to do

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cocktail UFO sightings in and around

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Manhattan and I said oh that sounds fine

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and I proceeded to talk to her with my

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20 cups of coffee for about a half an

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01:09:24,420 --> 01:09:23,259
hour I said well you know okay we've had

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this conversation

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let me mail use some of my bio material

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obviously we didn't have to get her

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dinner anything so I asked her for her

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address and she said blah blah blah blah

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and I said blah blah blah blah blah but

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I'm at that address she was on the sixth

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floor I lived on the fourth so I

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I went up and I handed her literature

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and I said I just saved myself obviously

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a dollar and stamps we became fairly

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good friends it turned out that she was

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the first person to travel with the

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Delhi Lama she wrote the first book on

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the Dali Lama she later died of a brain

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01:10:01,310 --> 01:09:58,980
that cancer very tragic for a young age

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she's very talented gal what's the

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01:10:03,530 --> 01:10:02,610
chances that somebody hears you on the

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radio and there you live two floors

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01:10:07,010 --> 01:10:04,680
above you

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01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:07,020
her story goes on to move ahead two

1684
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:09,120
decades but it's long and detailed but

1685
01:10:14,150 --> 01:10:11,520
you kind of get the message here there's

1686
01:10:16,670 --> 01:10:14,160
something about synchronicity and and

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01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:16,680
UFO UFOs and I've talked to other people

1688
01:10:21,140 --> 01:10:18,510
in the field and they seem to have the

1689
01:10:24,110 --> 01:10:21,150
same a pattern but not as many and it's

1690
01:10:26,380 --> 01:10:24,120
not as far-fetched as the ones that I

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01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:26,390
have in fact when I write my life story

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that's gonna be one of the chapters of

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01:10:31,940 --> 01:10:30,120
the book because there's something

1694
01:10:33,380 --> 01:10:31,950
strange going on there but I wish I

1695
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could pick the lottery number or the

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right slot machine or or something that

1697
01:10:39,770 --> 01:10:37,710
would happen but you know what it proves

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01:10:41,780 --> 01:10:39,780
there's nothing else is that there is an

1699
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:41,790
intelligence to the universe I don't

1700
01:10:44,990 --> 01:10:43,410
believe it necessarily in God and you

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01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:45,000
know the guy sitting on the throne there

1702
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,570
I'm not a very religious person at all

1703
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:50,400
but there's something else here that

1704
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:53,970
tells us that some pattern to what's

1705
01:10:58,580 --> 01:10:56,370
going on it's you don't think it's just

1706
01:10:59,450 --> 01:10:58,590
coincidence you think there's a is that

1707
01:11:01,460 --> 01:10:59,460
coincidence

1708
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:01,470
and I mean I just told you two stories I

1709
01:11:04,910 --> 01:11:02,850
could tell you it doesn't I mean it

1710
01:11:06,170 --> 01:11:04,920
doesn't that is just like we're not just

1711
01:11:07,850 --> 01:11:06,180
talking about running into somebody in

1712
01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:07,860
the street or the telephone rings that

1713
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:09,960
and you haven't heard from that person

1714
01:11:14,030 --> 01:11:12,239
now it's beyond coincidence if you want

1715
01:11:15,979 --> 01:11:14,040
to find out a little bit more about this

1716
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:15,989
there was a gentleman who talked to

1717
01:11:21,979 --> 01:11:16,650
dolphins

1718
01:11:24,500 --> 01:11:21,989
his name was dr. John see Lily he wrote

1719
01:11:26,270 --> 01:11:24,510
about sleek rotisserie he believes that

1720
01:11:28,700 --> 01:11:26,280
there was actually an intelligence that

1721
01:11:30,979 --> 01:11:28,710
existed outside of our own invisible to

1722
01:11:33,050 --> 01:11:30,989
the human eye you know we all have some

1723
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:33,060
theories about this gene whatever you

1724
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:35,970
want to call it he gave it a name but he

1725
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:37,530
thought they were probably trying to

1726
01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:41,370
prove their existence by creating these

1727
01:11:45,050 --> 01:11:43,350
synchronicities in our lives that was

1728
01:11:47,330 --> 01:11:45,060
the way to show that there was some

1729
01:11:48,860 --> 01:11:47,340
other intelligence outside of our own I

1730
01:11:51,140 --> 01:11:48,870
mean he didn't look at it in a in a

1731
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:51,150
religious sense he saw it as a visible

1732
01:11:53,780 --> 01:11:52,800
intelligence that was like kind of like

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01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:53,790
fooling with us soon

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01:11:57,500 --> 01:11:55,920
I gotta go along with that except he was

1735
01:12:03,200 --> 01:11:57,510
doing cata me that of that but that's

1736
01:12:05,570 --> 01:12:03,210
okay okay yeah vitamin K you bring up a

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01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:05,580
very interesting point I mean that it

1738
01:12:11,780 --> 01:12:08,610
actually that's the first thing that I

1739
01:12:13,460 --> 01:12:11,790
look for when I am investigating some

1740
01:12:15,170 --> 01:12:13,470
sort of case or doing some research as I

1741
01:12:18,350 --> 01:12:15,180
look for that synchronistic element

1742
01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:18,360
because to me if it's there then it it

1743
01:12:22,910 --> 01:12:21,000
gives me kind of my own little sort of

1744
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:22,920
private litmus test of credibility

1745
01:12:26,180 --> 01:12:24,450
because the more the more

1746
01:12:27,710 --> 01:12:26,190
synchronicities you have involved in a

1747
01:12:30,230 --> 01:12:27,720
case I think the more likely they are to

1748
01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:30,240
be to be real and and they should be

1749
01:12:35,930 --> 01:12:33,420
taken pretty much at face value which is

1750
01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:35,940
how about you you've you've uh have you

1751
01:12:39,770 --> 01:12:37,260
had these types of synchronistic

1752
01:12:42,440 --> 01:12:39,780
experiences and have you had validation

1753
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,450
in this in this sort of I guess way

1754
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:44,400
shape and form oh yes definitely uh

1755
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:47,850
nothing quite as significant when it

1756
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:51,600
comes to say ufos as some of the cases

1757
01:12:59,900 --> 01:12:56,400
as tim Beckley but some of the things

1758
01:13:03,410 --> 01:12:59,910
that i have noticed when it comes to my

1759
01:13:05,300 --> 01:13:03,420
own field research into a ufos and i

1760
01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:05,310
know this is something that Tim Beckley

1761
01:13:10,820 --> 01:13:07,800
has talked about as well is that you

1762
01:13:12,980 --> 01:13:10,830
know if I go out and I'm talking to say

1763
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:12,990
a family about their UFO experience I

1764
01:13:19,310 --> 01:13:16,320
will try to make an effort to talk to

1765
01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:19,320
their neighbors or talk to people who

1766
01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:23,100
live in the nearby town to try to find

1767
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:25,260
out if anybody else has had similar

1768
01:13:29,090 --> 01:13:27,360
experiences and I would say that

1769
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:29,100
probably you know nine times out of ten

1770
01:13:36,110 --> 01:13:32,130
I'll get some additional stories but I

1771
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:36,120
also get some rather bizarre stories as

1772
01:13:44,510 --> 01:13:40,970
well along the lines of paranormal or or

1773
01:13:46,910 --> 01:13:44,520
unusual monster sightings Bigfoot other

1774
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:46,920
types of strange creatures and then a

1775
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:49,260
lot of times people will just approach

1776
01:13:54,350 --> 01:13:51,840
me just out of the blue and say I saw a

1777
01:13:57,410 --> 01:13:54,360
Bigfoot near such-and-such town which

1778
01:13:59,720 --> 01:13:57,420
just happens to be an area that I had

1779
01:14:02,810 --> 01:13:59,730
been investigating earlier but you know

1780
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:02,820
I I don't publicize too much my

1781
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:05,130
investigations you know I I try to work

1782
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:06,770
somewhat behind the scene

1783
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:08,960
yes could you write so much material for

1784
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:11,210
Tim yes oh yes oh yes I I definitely do

1785
01:14:16,150 --> 01:14:13,250
but you know you don't you don't read a

1786
01:14:18,580 --> 01:14:16,160
lot of my own personal investigations in

1787
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:18,590
the stuff that I write for Tim the main

1788
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,050
reason is that most of the people that I

1789
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:23,600
talk to they want to remain anonymous

1790
01:14:29,890 --> 01:14:27,010
and you know as well as I do that

1791
01:14:31,660 --> 01:14:29,900
anonymous reports you know they they

1792
01:14:33,130 --> 01:14:31,670
really don't they don't carry much

1793
01:14:35,740 --> 01:14:33,140
weight at least for other UFO

1794
01:14:37,870 --> 01:14:35,750
investigators or for people who are

1795
01:14:40,330 --> 01:14:37,880
trying to find that you know that that

1796
01:14:43,300 --> 01:14:40,340
that connection or those you know that

1797
01:14:47,890 --> 01:14:43,310
that big that been connecting element

1798
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:47,900
towards the reality of UFOs so it's a

1799
01:14:55,050 --> 01:14:50,090
it's it's just moral it's just more

1800
01:14:59,070 --> 01:14:55,060
along the lines of gathering these cases

1801
01:15:03,700 --> 01:14:59,080
preserving the witness's anonymity and

1802
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:03,710
you know just trying to try to come up

1803
01:15:09,550 --> 01:15:06,080
with some kind of some kind of

1804
01:15:11,740 --> 01:15:09,560
connection good point

1805
01:15:13,180 --> 01:15:11,750
so are all these attendant type

1806
01:15:17,190 --> 01:15:13,190
phenomena do you think they're connected

1807
01:15:20,620 --> 01:15:17,200
do you think Bigfoot crypto creatures

1808
01:15:22,660 --> 01:15:20,630
elementals various haunting type

1809
01:15:24,220 --> 01:15:22,670
phenomena and UFOs for instance are

1810
01:15:26,740 --> 01:15:24,230
connected or do you feel that they're

1811
01:15:29,220 --> 01:15:26,750
all sort of separate and and just

1812
01:15:32,830 --> 01:15:29,230
happened to occur separately but somehow

1813
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:32,840
in a timely manner in terms of time

1814
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:34,610
proximity to one another what what do

1815
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:36,530
you feel get to that before we have an

1816
01:15:40,990 --> 01:15:38,690
answer we have Tim Beckley Tim Schwartz

1817
01:15:46,290 --> 01:15:41,000
Chris O'Brien's the co-host um Jean

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[Music]

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Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran burned

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out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

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relentless perplexing nightmares

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space and of a mysterious woman

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world a woman not yet born calling

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across centuries to him then a

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coincidence leads him to his destiny his

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economy is at a tipping point forty

1869
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:54,099
cents of every dollar the government

1870
01:17:57,550 --> 01:17:55,730
spends is borrowed

1871
01:17:59,530 --> 01:17:57,560
the president of the Federal Reserve in

1872
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:59,540
Dallas was recently quoted saying this

1873
01:18:03,340 --> 01:18:02,000
path will lead to insolvency resulting

1874
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:03,350
in the collapse of our governments and

1875
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:05,570
our economy our country can't function

1876
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:07,760
like this and neither can your household

1877
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:09,530
that's why you need to prepare and

1878
01:18:13,330 --> 01:18:11,450
priority one is your food supply

1879
01:18:15,250 --> 01:18:13,340
fortunately it's easy and affordable

1880
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with the help of Ready Reserve food's

1881
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1882
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1883
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1884
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1885
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1886
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1887
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for two people costs a fraction of what

1888
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you pay at the grocery store for a free

1889
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:35,000
full-color catalog call 800 for five

1890
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:38,810
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1891
01:18:45,550 --> 01:18:42,170
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1892
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1893
01:18:53,290 --> 01:18:51,140
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1894
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1895
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1896
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1897
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1898
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1899
01:19:06,190 --> 01:19:03,890
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1900
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1901
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1902
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1903
01:19:18,370 --> 01:19:13,610
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1904
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:18,380
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1905
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:20,480
hi this is Ted Anderson have you ever

1906
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:22,010
wondered why banks stockbrokers

1907
01:19:25,500 --> 01:19:23,570
investment advisors won't talk about

1908
01:19:28,060 --> 01:19:25,510
gold IRAs they've been available since

1909
01:19:29,860 --> 01:19:28,070
1986 yet the financial industry won't

1910
01:19:31,780 --> 01:19:29,870
recognize the value of gold for your

1911
01:19:34,150 --> 01:19:31,790
retirement goal has outperformed paper

1912
01:19:35,710 --> 01:19:34,160
investments yet no word about IRAs if

1913
01:20:02,260 --> 01:19:35,720
you would like to have gold for your

1914
01:20:07,660 --> 01:20:05,680
this is the wrong tire of the f1 cyclope

1915
01:20:13,630 --> 01:20:07,670
in other looks you're lifting to the

1916
01:20:16,210 --> 01:20:13,640
pair calf we have Tim Beckley Tim

1917
01:20:18,490 --> 01:20:16,220
Schwartz Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm

1918
01:20:20,860 --> 01:20:18,500
gene Steinberg or in the para cast Chris

1919
01:20:22,270 --> 01:20:20,870
you had posed a question do you want to

1920
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:22,280
follow up with further information on

1921
01:20:26,230 --> 01:20:24,080
let's get an answer well I think it's a

1922
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:26,240
pretty simple question you know we do

1923
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:27,290
seem to see a lot of

1924
01:20:31,630 --> 01:20:28,970
compartmentalization in the

1925
01:20:34,180 --> 01:20:31,640
investigative field or have seen this

1926
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:34,190
over the last you know how many decades

1927
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:36,800
you want to go back and I think we're

1928
01:20:42,010 --> 01:20:39,130
all we're all sensing that there's a

1929
01:20:44,050 --> 01:20:42,020
kind of a move towards the thinking that

1930
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:44,060
there possibly is a connection between a

1931
01:20:48,490 --> 01:20:46,400
lot of these divergent phenomena what do

1932
01:20:50,440 --> 01:20:48,500
you think Tim Schwartz are we looking at

1933
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:50,450
something that may have some sort of

1934
01:20:55,180 --> 01:20:52,970
commonality or are they all completely

1935
01:20:55,660 --> 01:20:55,190
separate well you know you're exactly

1936
01:20:57,550 --> 01:20:55,670
right

1937
01:20:59,290 --> 01:20:57,560
when you talk about compartmentalization

1938
01:21:01,450 --> 01:20:59,300
and that's one of the things that has

1939
01:21:05,770 --> 01:21:01,460
that has really irritated me over the

1940
01:21:10,030 --> 01:21:05,780
years with a number of other researchers

1941
01:21:14,020 --> 01:21:10,040
is that they have a tendency to get

1942
01:21:17,020 --> 01:21:14,030
themselves stuck in a mindset UFOs are

1943
01:21:22,570 --> 01:21:17,030
nuts-and-bolts craft from Zetas Reticuli

1944
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:22,580
a Bigfoot is a hominid of physical

1945
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:24,560
hominid living in the woods you know

1946
01:21:30,220 --> 01:21:26,690
there's no crossing lines I'm not going

1947
01:21:34,210 --> 01:21:30,230
to investigate you know anything outside

1948
01:21:36,340 --> 01:21:34,220
of of my belief systems because I know

1949
01:21:38,620 --> 01:21:36,350
it's not true and you know I've always

1950
01:21:40,780 --> 01:21:38,630
taken the philosophy that you know you

1951
01:21:43,870 --> 01:21:40,790
have to listen to the reports you have

1952
01:21:47,050 --> 01:21:43,880
to listen to what the people are telling

1953
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:47,060
you and to keep your own personal

1954
01:21:52,290 --> 01:21:49,010
beliefs out of it because belief is the

1955
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:52,300
enemy but but to really to answer your

1956
01:22:00,910 --> 01:21:57,530
question there Chris I think that the it

1957
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:00,920
does show at least with my

1958
01:22:07,090 --> 01:22:03,290
investigations my research and the

1959
01:22:09,610 --> 01:22:07,100
research of others there does seem to be

1960
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:09,620
a and I'm gonna use this word you know

1961
01:22:14,770 --> 01:22:11,210
for one of a better word right now you

1962
01:22:15,609 --> 01:22:14,780
know a paranormal aspect to certain

1963
01:22:19,060 --> 01:22:15,619
kinds

1964
01:22:21,729 --> 01:22:19,070
of UFO phenomena now I'm not I'm not

1965
01:22:24,970 --> 01:22:21,739
gonna sit here and say that UFOs are

1966
01:22:27,879 --> 01:22:24,980
strictly all paranormal or UFOs are

1967
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:27,889
strictly all nuts-and-bolts spacecraft I

1968
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:29,110
think that there's a good possibility

1969
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:32,960
that that there probably are some UFOs

1970
01:22:38,979 --> 01:22:35,770
that that do represent extraterrestrial

1971
01:22:43,870 --> 01:22:38,989
visitors I've also tossed around the

1972
01:22:48,399 --> 01:22:43,880
idea that that UFOs could be a Time

1973
01:22:52,330 --> 01:22:48,409
Traveller's either from Earth's future

1974
01:22:56,770 --> 01:22:52,340
or from you know an extra shoelaces ship

1975
01:22:59,680 --> 01:22:56,780
but there's a lot of reports that smack

1976
01:23:02,229 --> 01:22:59,690
right into the realm of the of the

1977
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:02,239
paranormal you know people will have a

1978
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:04,010
well you know what seems to be a mundane

1979
01:23:08,020 --> 01:23:06,290
UFO sighting you know they see some

1980
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:08,030
lights in the sky nothing too unusual

1981
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:10,610
they go home and the next day their

1982
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:13,130
house is invented is invaded by polder

1983
01:23:18,220 --> 01:23:16,000
god or all of a sudden you know strange

1984
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:18,230
strange people not necessarily the men

1985
01:23:21,010 --> 01:23:19,730
in black but you know along those lines

1986
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:21,020
you know come knocking at the door

1987
01:23:26,500 --> 01:23:23,210
trying to sell them magazines but all

1988
01:23:29,169 --> 01:23:26,510
they want to talk about is is UFOs and

1989
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:29,179
things like that so so yeah I mean there

1990
01:23:36,370 --> 01:23:33,679
there does seem to be some kind of some

1991
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:36,380
kind of a connection between these what

1992
01:23:41,169 --> 01:23:38,330
that connection is you know I don't know

1993
01:23:43,810 --> 01:23:41,179
I mean there's there's been some some

1994
01:23:46,510 --> 01:23:43,820
pretty good investigation recently by a

1995
01:23:48,700 --> 01:23:46,520
film Brod know who you've had on the

1996
01:23:51,550 --> 01:23:48,710
parapets recently talking about the jinn

1997
01:23:54,879 --> 01:23:51,560
and other types of paranormal types of

1998
01:23:58,089 --> 01:23:54,889
entities that seemed to follow very

1999
01:24:00,820 --> 01:23:58,099
closely into you know these parameters

2000
01:24:03,310 --> 01:24:00,830
that that people are reporting of their

2001
01:24:06,129 --> 01:24:03,320
own death experience yes well we did a

2002
01:24:07,959 --> 01:24:06,139
book recently of where we covered the

2003
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:07,969
dark side of ufology

2004
01:24:14,290 --> 01:24:10,880
it's called round trip to hell in a

2005
01:24:17,260 --> 01:24:14,300
flying saucer UFO parasites alien soul

2006
01:24:20,290 --> 01:24:17,270
suckers invaders from demonic realm in

2007
01:24:23,169 --> 01:24:20,300
fact up we did a very a nice interview

2008
01:24:24,970 --> 01:24:23,179
with Chris that's in their photograph

2009
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:24,980
said my friend that Charlotte took while

2010
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:27,440
we were out at his palatial estate there

2011
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:28,249
and

2012
01:24:37,310 --> 01:24:32,639
Arizona hopeless state by the way you

2013
01:24:39,790 --> 01:24:37,320
should see his servants we had a white

2014
01:24:43,609 --> 01:24:39,800
racing thread we we had a wonderful

2015
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:43,619
little Ricky Wonder wonderful afternoon

2016
01:24:49,129 --> 01:24:47,280
at a great interview and it's about the

2017
01:24:53,629 --> 01:24:49,139
shape-shifting we found out that not

2018
01:24:55,219 --> 01:24:53,639
only do the elo millions because what

2019
01:24:58,339 --> 01:24:55,229
else do we call my Elias have the

2020
01:25:00,259 --> 01:24:58,349
ability to shape-shift right but dr.

2021
01:25:02,689 --> 01:25:00,269
Krantz do themselves in fact in this

2022
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:02,699
book to attend Tim Schwartz has done a

2023
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:06,719
chapter that includes morphing UFOs do

2024
01:25:11,660 --> 01:25:08,610
you know what a lot of occasions and I

2025
01:25:12,469 --> 01:25:11,670
found this first very stunning III I

2026
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:12,479
couldn't believe it

2027
01:25:18,290 --> 01:25:14,820
the people were describing objects to me

2028
01:25:20,569 --> 01:25:18,300
that actually changed shape in front of

2029
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:20,579
their eyes I remember talking to two

2030
01:25:24,859 --> 01:25:23,010
teenagers sorry about you know 16 17

2031
01:25:30,049 --> 01:25:24,869
years old they had had a close encounter

2032
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:30,059
in Staten Island now this gets away with

2033
01:25:35,089 --> 01:25:32,489
the notion that only people living near

2034
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:35,099
swamps are in the farmland or in the

2035
01:25:39,049 --> 01:25:37,170
middle of Sedona have UFO sightings

2036
01:25:42,410 --> 01:25:39,059
because UFO sightings are reported all

2037
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:42,420
over the world including right here in

2038
01:25:48,410 --> 01:25:45,360
Manhattan anyway these two younger these

2039
01:25:52,339 --> 01:25:48,420
two teenagers I was a teenager once too

2040
01:25:55,879 --> 01:25:52,349
gene so was you was never a teenager

2041
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:55,889
I've always been as I am now

2042
01:26:00,680 --> 01:25:58,320
anyway they described seeing this object

2043
01:26:03,319 --> 01:26:00,690
was a ball shaped object it started out

2044
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:03,329
as a twice the size of a basketball and

2045
01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:05,449
it was coming down in between the trees

2046
01:26:10,699 --> 01:26:08,729
and in fact and we took photographs of

2047
01:26:12,949 --> 01:26:10,709
this area where it had apparently

2048
01:26:14,959 --> 01:26:12,959
touched two trees and burned him or

2049
01:26:16,430 --> 01:26:14,969
knocked him down or or whatever I got

2050
01:26:18,140 --> 01:26:16,440
the old tree but you know branches and

2051
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:18,150
stuff like that and seen that many times

2052
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:19,679
before it doesn't really prove anything

2053
01:26:24,949 --> 01:26:22,050
could have been ball lightning but I

2054
01:26:26,509 --> 01:26:24,959
don't think so isn't daytime it didn't

2055
01:26:28,399 --> 01:26:26,519
usually ball lightning as I understand

2056
01:26:30,199 --> 01:26:28,409
it kind of just burns itself out or

2057
01:26:32,509 --> 01:26:30,209
explodes and you know very short

2058
01:26:35,060 --> 01:26:32,519
short-lived phenomena where this lasted

2059
01:26:38,509 --> 01:26:35,070
quite a while anyway as the object rose

2060
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:38,519
into the sky it changed from this ball

2061
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:41,010
shaped object into a cigar

2062
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:44,370
shaped craft before heading out over a

2063
01:26:51,340 --> 01:26:48,090
Staten Island okay I was writing for UFO

2064
01:26:54,410 --> 01:26:51,350
report at the at the time that was the

2065
01:26:56,090 --> 01:26:54,420
prestigious a UFO publication put out

2066
01:26:58,700 --> 01:26:56,100
this is a magazine by the way where you

2067
01:27:03,260 --> 01:26:58,710
actually got paid for your article five

2068
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:03,270
hundred dollars gene I'm looking for a

2069
01:27:09,620 --> 01:27:07,170
publication will pay $50 these days you

2070
01:27:10,970 --> 01:27:09,630
know but anyway I went along

2071
01:27:12,440 --> 01:27:10,980
interviewing people I found more and

2072
01:27:15,170 --> 01:27:12,450
more people describing these objects

2073
01:27:17,420 --> 01:27:15,180
changing shape I did an interview in

2074
01:27:20,060 --> 01:27:17,430
fact this is my best abduction dinner

2075
01:27:21,410 --> 01:27:20,070
case in a slum as well note is a Betty

2076
01:27:23,060 --> 01:27:21,420
Marty Hill or some of the others but

2077
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:23,070
there was a gentleman by the name of

2078
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:26,130
Carl Higdon and this experience took

2079
01:27:30,770 --> 01:27:28,320
place in the while being mystery hidden

2080
01:27:34,460 --> 01:27:30,780
I believe he was in his 40s at the time

2081
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:34,470
I was an avid hunter he had gone out it

2082
01:27:39,220 --> 01:27:37,410
is a truck like a 4x4 you know what it

2083
01:27:42,170 --> 01:27:39,230
opened the hatch in the back there and

2084
01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:42,180
he had gone out hunting about 6:00 a.m.

2085
01:27:46,010 --> 01:27:43,710
I don't know why hunters only start out

2086
01:27:47,870 --> 01:27:46,020
early but maybe the animals are half

2087
01:27:50,450 --> 01:27:47,880
asleep or something I don't know but

2088
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:50,460
anyway he started out at the it's 6:00

2089
01:27:55,010 --> 01:27:52,800
a.m. to go elk hunting he drove to an

2090
01:27:57,260 --> 01:27:55,020
area that was a very just aggressive

2091
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,270
like dollar Glade parked his vehicle

2092
01:28:03,770 --> 01:27:59,280
because he saw some elk in the distance

2093
01:28:07,070 --> 01:28:03,780
okay he gets out of his truck and he he

2094
01:28:09,710 --> 01:28:07,080
goes to the moving on the elk and raises

2095
01:28:12,710 --> 01:28:09,720
his rifle to shoot one of the the

2096
01:28:15,470 --> 01:28:12,720
outfits off in the distance at that

2097
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:15,480
point he's just as he was about to pull

2098
01:28:20,270 --> 01:28:17,760
the trigger everything went dead around

2099
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:20,280
him all the sounds of the ambient sounds

2100
01:28:23,930 --> 01:28:21,810
of the you know the sky in the air the

2101
01:28:26,630 --> 01:28:23,940
the birds and the beasts and the in

2102
01:28:29,690 --> 01:28:26,640
whatever it it was like the world Stood

2103
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:29,700
Still he managed to get a fish a shot at

2104
01:28:35,930 --> 01:28:33,600
the elk the bullet hits some invisible

2105
01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:35,940
barrier or wall and fell to the ground

2106
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:38,400
he actually we thought it we did an

2107
01:28:43,460 --> 01:28:41,130
article for a UFO report that was like

2108
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:43,470
40 pages but also it was a headline

2109
01:28:46,730 --> 01:28:45,090
story of the star because I was a

2110
01:28:49,250 --> 01:28:46,740
stringer for the sorority Inquirer to

2111
01:28:50,750 --> 01:28:49,260
talk had the bullet and the casing the

2112
01:28:54,830 --> 01:28:50,760
bullet looked like he had been twisted

2113
01:28:57,020 --> 01:28:54,840
out inside out right okay so

2114
01:28:58,910 --> 01:28:57,030
he sees this while this is happy

2115
01:29:00,740 --> 01:28:58,920
together he's in like some zoned out

2116
01:29:03,140 --> 01:29:00,750
state a state and I collect the Oz

2117
01:29:08,300 --> 01:29:03,150
factor they refer to it in Australia I

2118
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:08,310
know he saw in the distance a craft it

2119
01:29:14,359 --> 01:29:12,000
was a box cube shaped object he said

2120
01:29:21,470 --> 01:29:14,369
probably not more than 15 feet in

2121
01:29:24,830 --> 01:29:21,480
diameter beside this object was a big

2122
01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:24,840
some sort of a alien and being and I

2123
01:29:28,399 --> 01:29:26,940
asked him the way he did a drawing here

2124
01:29:30,020 --> 01:29:28,409
for us it wasn't a very good artist but

2125
01:29:32,660 --> 01:29:30,030
under hypnosis I kind of get the point

2126
01:29:34,729 --> 01:29:32,670
they go into the being Tim will go into

2127
01:29:36,979 --> 01:29:34,739
the being that he saw near this box

2128
01:29:38,959 --> 01:29:36,989
shaped craft yeah our next segment we

2129
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:38,969
have Tim Beckley Tim Swartz the co-host

2130
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:41,040
is Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg

2131
01:29:45,730 --> 01:29:49,100
[Music]

2132
01:29:54,630 --> 01:29:51,900
are you ready to order the official

2133
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I'm gene Steinberg or in the power cast

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Tim we had to interrupt you there but

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tell us more about what happens being

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Carl cheek that he sees this the

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square-shaped cube strength object being

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standing in front the peculiar thing

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about to be was cutting humanoid-looking

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but he had hair like a punk rocker it

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was like straw you know kind of just

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very broad looking and stood up in the

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you know just very stiff okay somehow he

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finds himself inside this craft he

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didn't walk into it but he materialized

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inside the craft now when he got inside

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this craft he realized this could not

2255
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possibly have been the same craft that

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he was looking at from a distance which

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was only 15 feet up and down and I

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Avenue you know because inside the craft

2259
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not only was there a full crew of these

2260
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beings but there were some of the elk

2261
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that he was hunting and they were in

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cage as well Alex are pretty big animals

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if you ever see them and I have anyway

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it wasn't this 50 the cube had changed

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shape or somehow the dimensions inside

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the craft were different than when they

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were on the outside he went to some

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other place they transported his to some

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place he got out of the craft he went

2270
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into the building

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that kind of looked like the the Space

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Needle in in the Seattle Washington you

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know left over from the World's Fair

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they put him on a machine that was like

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a scale but he could tell that it was

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doing this measuring something else' but

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you know his bodily fluid

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whatever business is part of the

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the experience and while he's on this

2280
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machine this looks like kind of a scale

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you know like you could put your quarter

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in in the pharmacy or something to stay

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another with the weights of the measures

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and I'll bet he happens to glance out

2285
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the window and you can see down the

2286
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street below there are these beings

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traveling along on the mobile streets I

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conveyor belts you know like you see the

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airport you know where you get on you

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don't have to carry your suitcase do you

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get on the conveyor belt just let it

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take you words it's going or where

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you're going he sees love mingled in

2294
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with these these stranger beings with

2295
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the puck rock here what looked to be

2296
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earthlings and they're kind of just big

2297
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Iligan with society with this alien

2298
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society and going about their business

2299
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whatever their business is finally yeah

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he they're finished with the examination

2301
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in whatever brief conversation they have

2302
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he finds himself back into his vehicle

2303
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it is a truck with the open hatch back

2304
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now before he got back down to do Planet

2305
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Earth they told him that they were gonna

2306
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transport him back into the truck well

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he found himself in the truck but the

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truck had moved it had moved from the

2309
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grassy knoll area back into a very

2310
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marshy area he managed to use his CB

2311
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radio to call the police okay it's a

2312
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little whacked out I beat his eyes were

2313
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birds and the you know he was having a

2314
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memory of problems and all that he

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managed to get also call to the police

2316
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the police came they could not lose his

2317
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vehicle out because it was in a spot

2318
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where they said he could never have

2319
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driven it now I'm not taking his word at

2320
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it in those days since saga magazine

2321
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paid the money and so the day I shall

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start you had money to do actual

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research he made long-distance calls and

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check these things out you know so

2325
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people who think that I'm sitting around

2326
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making this stuff up you don't have to

2327
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make up stuff in ethology it's all very

2328
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strange and very weird so those people

2329
01:37:57,339 --> 01:37:55,699
who you know it couldn't take a tin cup

2330
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and go out on the street who who think

2331
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that I have nothing better to do in life

2332
01:38:02,319 --> 01:38:00,739
to make up the UFO stories because these

2333
01:38:04,810 --> 01:38:02,329
things are fascinating by themselves

2334
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:04,820
anyway we call the the police yes they

2335
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did have to tow the truck out they had

2336
01:38:10,419 --> 01:38:08,510
to put logs down you know cut logs and

2337
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put them down and it took two tow trucks

2338
01:38:14,919 --> 01:38:13,130
to get his vehicle out of this marshy

2339
01:38:17,109 --> 01:38:14,929
area ok they took him to the hospital

2340
01:38:19,030 --> 01:38:17,119
because like I say he does all he was

2341
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:19,040
tazed that he was all burnt they did

2342
01:38:23,260 --> 01:38:21,440
x-rays on him well he had had a kidney

2343
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:23,270
problem before this experience

2344
01:38:28,330 --> 01:38:25,610
the traces of the kidney kidney problem

2345
01:38:30,580 --> 01:38:28,340
were all cleared up so you had the

2346
01:38:32,590 --> 01:38:30,590
teleportation of the truck you had the

2347
01:38:35,110 --> 01:38:32,600
the shell casing of the bullet being

2348
01:38:37,420 --> 01:38:35,120
twisted inside out and you have the

2349
01:38:39,370 --> 01:38:37,430
medical examination proving that the

2350
01:38:41,979 --> 01:38:39,380
scar tissue had disappeared now that's a

2351
01:38:43,810 --> 01:38:41,989
case you can sink your teeth into it's

2352
01:38:46,150 --> 01:38:43,820
not something under hypnosis now he was

2353
01:38:48,010 --> 01:38:46,160
hypnotized later on but even without the

2354
01:38:49,930 --> 01:38:48,020
hypnosis you got the physical evidence

2355
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:49,940
there aren't too many other UFO

2356
01:38:52,660 --> 01:38:51,530
abduction cases which could port your

2357
01:38:55,420 --> 01:38:52,670
figure and say that you have your

2358
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:55,430
shape-shifting sort of part of the whole

2359
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:56,960
scenario as well which is how you

2360
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:00,560
started out this story correct well more

2361
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:02,090
and more cases like that where people

2362
01:39:07,300 --> 01:39:04,489
are describing not only the craft it's

2363
01:39:08,860 --> 01:39:07,310
changing shape but the beans as well in

2364
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:08,870
fact that we in the interview that we

2365
01:39:12,580 --> 01:39:10,400
did for the round trip to hell in a

2366
01:39:14,170 --> 01:39:12,590
flying saucer also available on him

2367
01:39:15,690 --> 01:39:14,180
though that you know you pointed out

2368
01:39:17,770 --> 01:39:15,700
like cases throughout history even where

2369
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:17,780
shape-shifting apparently it was a you

2370
01:39:21,130 --> 01:39:19,250
know part of legends and lore in the

2371
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:21,140
head something accepted by other

2372
01:39:25,150 --> 01:39:22,850
societies I think did she go back to

2373
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:25,160
Roman times there was a case there the

2374
01:39:28,780 --> 01:39:26,690
question I guess we'd raise here the

2375
01:39:30,670 --> 01:39:28,790
sceptical question is when you see

2376
01:39:32,770 --> 01:39:30,680
something change shape is that your mind

2377
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:32,780
playing a trick on you why do people

2378
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:34,489
have the same illusion see that's what

2379
01:39:40,780 --> 01:39:36,530
those thing about UFOs people say oh so

2380
01:39:43,300 --> 01:39:40,790
it was but night nightmares or whether

2381
01:39:46,540 --> 01:39:43,310
there's a hag syndrome or there's always

2382
01:39:48,729 --> 01:39:46,550
an excuse but why would people see the

2383
01:39:50,830 --> 01:39:48,739
same the type of crafters to go through

2384
01:39:52,510 --> 01:39:50,840
the same experience you know you would

2385
01:39:55,060 --> 01:39:52,520
think that you would see ugly Birds or

2386
01:39:56,860 --> 01:39:55,070
something I mean a giant insects instead

2387
01:39:58,720 --> 01:39:56,870
of that you see extraterrestrials it

2388
01:40:01,840 --> 01:39:58,730
doesn't it doesn't make sense there is

2389
01:40:05,170 --> 01:40:01,850
something going on that is outside of

2390
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:05,180
any concept that we can understand

2391
01:40:08,830 --> 01:40:06,770
that's why I don't believe that UFOs

2392
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:08,840
they're extraterrestrial and people say

2393
01:40:12,610 --> 01:40:10,489
well what do you believe it's impossible

2394
01:40:14,020 --> 01:40:12,620
to put it into words because I think

2395
01:40:16,510 --> 01:40:14,030
we're dealing with something that is

2396
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:16,520
totally beyond our understanding it I

2397
01:40:20,170 --> 01:40:18,050
don't know if you will ever understand

2398
01:40:22,300 --> 01:40:20,180
it I mean there may be a few crest over

2399
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:22,310
here from outer space there could be

2400
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:24,170
some things that are projections Richard

2401
01:40:28,030 --> 01:40:26,000
shaver talked about a lot of these

2402
01:40:30,490 --> 01:40:28,040
sightings actually be projections from

2403
01:40:32,709 --> 01:40:30,500
the the caves that these objects were

2404
01:40:35,290 --> 01:40:32,719
actually trying to shift or divert

2405
01:40:36,940 --> 01:40:35,300
people's attention away from something

2406
01:40:38,350 --> 01:40:36,950
else that was really going on so why

2407
01:40:41,050 --> 01:40:38,360
you were looking at you know the object

2408
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:41,060
of the the sky something else perhaps a

2409
01:40:45,670 --> 01:40:42,800
little bit stranger even more mysterious

2410
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:45,680
like maybe cars coming out of the caves

2411
01:40:50,770 --> 01:40:47,930
or something is going on five miles away

2412
01:40:53,290 --> 01:40:50,780
well you know of course Richard shavers

2413
01:40:55,270 --> 01:40:53,300
an interesting case because we have what

2414
01:40:57,670 --> 01:40:55,280
he said and I knew shaver you knew

2415
01:41:00,430 --> 01:40:57,680
shaver a lot of people and the question

2416
01:41:02,590 --> 01:41:00,440
here is of course Richard shaver says he

2417
01:41:05,740 --> 01:41:02,600
encountered physical beings living

2418
01:41:07,780 --> 01:41:05,750
within caves yet there were also reports

2419
01:41:10,630 --> 01:41:07,790
that shaver had been institutionalized

2420
01:41:12,340 --> 01:41:10,640
for a number of years welcome s over

2421
01:41:14,470 --> 01:41:12,350
there on the other side of the room he's

2422
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:14,480
written a book on the other shaver of

2423
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:16,370
mystery and he's explored this perhaps

2424
01:41:20,740 --> 01:41:19,130
he could chime in on shaver because he's

2425
01:41:22,690 --> 01:41:20,750
the research this was rather a lot of

2426
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:22,700
shavers material Tim that's a perfect

2427
01:41:28,090 --> 01:41:24,770
lead-in for for one of the questions

2428
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:28,100
here on it for America's calm from a new

2429
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:31,010
pair of cast forum poster named century

2430
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:34,610
and that's let's talk about shaver here

2431
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:37,250
for a minute let's look at the question

2432
01:41:40,900 --> 01:41:38,810
he says shaver himself said he was a

2433
01:41:43,900 --> 01:41:40,910
victim of the DeRose mind-altering Ray's

2434
01:41:46,300 --> 01:41:43,910
could he his story be duro distorted

2435
01:41:48,820 --> 01:41:46,310
memories of actual events interesting

2436
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:48,830
question and here's the it's it's about

2437
01:41:52,510 --> 01:41:51,050
a three parter without Ray Palmer could

2438
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:52,520
there have been a shaver mystery if so

2439
01:41:57,310 --> 01:41:54,560
how would it have differed and if

2440
01:41:59,770 --> 01:41:57,320
shavers story hadn't come out until much

2441
01:42:02,470 --> 01:41:59,780
later let's say during the height of the

2442
01:42:04,690 --> 01:42:02,480
contactee and abduction here is for

2443
01:42:06,910 --> 01:42:04,700
instance how would it have been received

2444
01:42:09,340 --> 01:42:06,920
hmm well you know here's an interesting

2445
01:42:12,100 --> 01:42:09,350
thing before the l88 to talk a lot of

2446
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:12,110
the contact he's talked about the people

2447
01:42:16,420 --> 01:42:13,970
inside the case and Lemuria and Atlantis

2448
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:16,430
and people I mean there was a little bit

2449
01:42:22,060 --> 01:42:19,130
of crossover there although they didn't

2450
01:42:24,010 --> 01:42:22,070
see him as being deranged as a shaver

2451
01:42:26,470 --> 01:42:24,020
and his bureau anyway can you go ahead

2452
01:42:31,030 --> 01:42:26,480
with this well I just you know first of

2453
01:42:33,940 --> 01:42:31,040
all I want to address the the part of

2454
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:33,950
the question that asked about Richard

2455
01:42:39,100 --> 01:42:36,170
shaver being institutionalized various

2456
01:42:41,500 --> 01:42:39,110
points in his life I think that the

2457
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:41,510
evidence shows that that that he

2458
01:42:46,820 --> 01:42:44,610
probably was you know it

2459
01:42:48,740 --> 01:42:46,830
and but but you know when they would

2460
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:48,750
institutionalize people back then you

2461
01:42:54,260 --> 01:42:50,970
know nowadays you know we get we get

2462
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:54,270
prozac or things like that I don't know

2463
01:43:03,470 --> 01:42:59,760
if that really should work to diminish

2464
01:43:07,100 --> 01:43:03,480
his story any the interesting thing I

2465
01:43:10,670 --> 01:43:07,110
think about Richard shaver is that you

2466
01:43:14,030 --> 01:43:10,680
know his story is is basically a modern

2467
01:43:16,730 --> 01:43:14,040
retelling of the same kind of tales that

2468
01:43:19,610 --> 01:43:16,740
have been with us and you know we've

2469
01:43:22,630 --> 01:43:19,620
been you know here on this planet that

2470
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:22,640
there are that there is another race

2471
01:43:27,260 --> 01:43:25,650
that lives underground with us and in

2472
01:43:29,900 --> 01:43:27,270
fact you know some some ancient

2473
01:43:33,500 --> 01:43:29,910
societies believe that that our Genesis

2474
01:43:35,120 --> 01:43:33,510
I came from inside the earth I mean you

2475
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:35,130
know if we didn't come from the stars

2476
01:43:41,290 --> 01:43:37,650
then we came from from from the caves

2477
01:43:45,290 --> 01:43:41,300
and and I think that Richard shaver is

2478
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:45,300
you know was taking these stories and

2479
01:43:51,550 --> 01:43:49,440
giving them a modern twist course you

2480
01:43:55,130 --> 01:43:51,560
know I mean his his stories came out

2481
01:43:59,480 --> 01:43:55,140
initially in the early 1940s but I mean

2482
01:44:02,750 --> 01:43:59,490
they've continued and perpetuated since

2483
01:44:07,820 --> 01:44:02,760
that time and and you know if we hadn't

2484
01:44:09,850 --> 01:44:07,830
had the the modern UFO era come about

2485
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:09,860
which which started in the you know in

2486
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:13,310
1947 even though we've had UFO reports

2487
01:44:20,510 --> 01:44:17,040
from the beginning of time as well we

2488
01:44:23,570 --> 01:44:20,520
probably would be talking about the

2489
01:44:24,890 --> 01:44:23,580
unknown creatures from the caverns I'll

2490
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:24,900
tell you well again to more unknown

2491
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:27,570
creatures and lots more coming up we

2492
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:29,610
have Tim Schwartz Tim Buckley I'm gene

2493
01:44:36,340 --> 01:44:31,410
Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

2494
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2495
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2497
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2507
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2511
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2513
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2514
01:45:24,100 --> 01:45:22,460
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2515
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2516
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2517
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2518
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2519
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2520
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2521
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2522
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2523
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2524
01:45:59,000 --> 01:45:57,180
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2525
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2526
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2527
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2528
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2529
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2530
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the final segment here and we do have

2531
01:46:14,930 --> 01:46:12,690
questions coming from our audience still

2532
01:46:17,170 --> 01:46:14,940
and that is Tim where do we find more of

2533
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the things that you do well let me see

2534
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conspiracy journal dot-com would be the

2535
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best place also you know when I tell

2536
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people go to Amazon type in my name

2537
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Timothy exactly type in command they're

2538
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2539
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2540
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2544
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2545
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:44,010
traveled all over the country and I've

2546
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:46,850
interviewed people and it's kind of my

2547
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2549
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2550
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2551
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we've done recently is the reprint of

2552
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2560
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2561
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once in a while to keep us going where

2562
01:47:26,660 --> 01:47:24,180
do we go from here Chris you have

2563
01:47:28,459 --> 01:47:26,670
questions from the audience well you

2564
01:47:29,750 --> 01:47:28,469
know going back to the shaver mystery

2565
01:47:32,150 --> 01:47:29,760
and the timing of how all this

2566
01:47:33,110 --> 01:47:32,160
information came out what role do you

2567
01:47:36,650 --> 01:47:33,120
think Ray Palmer

2568
01:47:38,150 --> 01:47:36,660
played in it I think we all kind of know

2569
01:47:39,740 --> 01:47:38,160
the role that Palmer played but if he

2570
01:47:42,290 --> 01:47:39,750
hadn't been involved you think the story

2571
01:47:46,580 --> 01:47:42,300
would have ever got traction oh I don't

2572
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:46,590
think so I think a Ray Palmer he saw he

2573
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:50,250
saw the potential in shavers stories and

2574
01:47:59,920 --> 01:47:55,250
he ran with it now we all well know that

2575
01:48:03,640 --> 01:47:59,930
Palmer sweetened up us shavers writings

2576
01:48:05,350 --> 01:48:03,650
quite a bit and in fact I'm absolutely

2577
01:48:08,860 --> 01:48:05,360
positive that a lot of shavers stories

2578
01:48:12,940 --> 01:48:08,870
that were printed were probably ghost

2579
01:48:15,670 --> 01:48:12,950
written by other probably better better

2580
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:15,680
writers and shader or ever was yeah well

2581
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:18,290
I I of course had you know correspondent

2582
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:20,810
with this shaver in fact every week she

2583
01:48:26,830 --> 01:48:24,290
would send me a box of dirt taken from

2584
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:26,840
his backyard which contained rocks now

2585
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:29,210
he claimed if you saw the rocks sawed

2586
01:48:35,140 --> 01:48:31,610
the rocks in half you were actually able

2587
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:35,150
to see pictures of this ancient race it

2588
01:48:38,830 --> 01:48:36,890
was kind of like a like a storybook or a

2589
01:48:40,900 --> 01:48:38,840
crystal as he explained that and by

2590
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:40,910
cutting it in different planes and

2591
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:42,770
different angles you could actually if

2592
01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:45,920
you knew how to view them properly you

2593
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:48,050
could actually see this Holmes kind of

2594
01:48:51,190 --> 01:48:49,370
like picked the grass Jean you know like

2595
01:48:52,930 --> 01:48:51,200
on the cavern the walls and things like

2596
01:48:54,580 --> 01:48:52,940
that I don't know you know at the time I

2597
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:54,590
thought well this is wacky it doesn't

2598
01:48:58,180 --> 01:48:56,210
work my mother hated it because along

2599
01:49:00,250 --> 01:48:58,190
with the box of rocks and dirt take a

2600
01:49:02,440 --> 01:49:00,260
few worms and God knows whatever else

2601
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:02,450
every week they were delivered to the

2602
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:04,970
post office and he was a fascinating

2603
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:06,650
character there's no doubt about it now

2604
01:49:11,770 --> 01:49:09,170
a poverty did public polish his work

2605
01:49:15,310 --> 01:49:11,780
there's no doubt about that but you know

2606
01:49:16,780 --> 01:49:15,320
stories of a cavern dwellers and people

2607
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:16,790
living inside the earth go way back

2608
01:49:22,060 --> 01:49:18,770
there were many books that were written

2609
01:49:24,820 --> 01:49:22,070
on the subject in fact we've reprinted a

2610
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:24,830
few of them going back to around 1840

2611
01:49:31,270 --> 01:49:27,650
it's part of the the Mormon belief

2612
01:49:33,550 --> 01:49:31,280
system actually that there are beings in

2613
01:49:36,460 --> 01:49:33,560
a world inside the the earth Tibetans

2614
01:49:37,930 --> 01:49:36,470
the believe in that is as well they call

2615
01:49:41,070 --> 01:49:37,940
it Agartha

2616
01:49:44,050 --> 01:49:41,080
we've reprinted that so for 10 of the 16

2617
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:44,060
volumes of the hidden world series where

2618
01:49:48,820 --> 01:49:46,610
Richard shaver Ray Palmer lays us on the

2619
01:49:50,530 --> 01:49:48,830
other line and a lot of the readers of

2620
01:49:52,090 --> 01:49:50,540
amazing stories and the promise early

2621
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:52,100
publications have contributed letters

2622
01:49:57,700 --> 01:49:54,410
about hearing the voices and being

2623
01:49:59,920 --> 01:49:57,710
inside the the caves and recently we

2624
01:50:02,170 --> 01:49:59,930
just came across an entire collection of

2625
01:50:04,330 --> 01:50:02,180
lost Richard shaver articles that

2626
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:04,340
haven't been published since around 1945

2627
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:07,370
so including some of those as well but a

2628
01:50:11,650 --> 01:50:08,810
fascinating

2629
01:50:14,530 --> 01:50:11,660
and people think that he was

2630
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:14,540
hallucinating or he was a madman well he

2631
01:50:18,580 --> 01:50:16,400
might have been a madman but I think he

2632
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:18,590
was on to something I would say that we

2633
01:50:24,990 --> 01:50:22,130
do have dwelt our feet whether they are

2634
01:50:28,210 --> 01:50:25,000
in physical form or part of this

2635
01:50:30,270 --> 01:50:28,220
interdimensional realm as yet to be seen

2636
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:30,280
but there have been many cases where

2637
01:50:35,140 --> 01:50:32,930
tavern explorers with no knowledge of

2638
01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:35,150
Schafer of any of this have run into

2639
01:50:40,780 --> 01:50:37,280
these little beasties on the ground you

2640
01:50:44,770 --> 01:50:40,790
know in fact gene and Chris the shaker

2641
01:50:46,690 --> 01:50:44,780
mystery mystery it's very big in Japan

2642
01:50:48,730 --> 01:50:46,700
how would you explain that right there

2643
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:48,740
are websites devoted to the shaver

2644
01:50:53,470 --> 01:50:51,050
mystery and even a science fiction

2645
01:50:55,390 --> 01:50:53,480
horror movie that's been dug were they

2646
01:50:57,610 --> 01:50:55,400
aware somebody gets lost in the subway

2647
01:50:59,080 --> 01:50:57,620
system under Japan and run into the

2648
01:51:01,420 --> 01:50:59,090
Darrow and they have a conversation

2649
01:51:05,740 --> 01:51:01,430
about shaver well you know Tim there's

2650
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:05,750
also been a resurgence in interest and

2651
01:51:11,410 --> 01:51:08,480
the basic ideas that shave abroad about

2652
01:51:15,790 --> 01:51:11,420
I mean you have the late Mac Tony's a

2653
01:51:17,290 --> 01:51:15,800
book the encrypted terrestrials and even

2654
01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:17,300
though he doesn't go you know it

2655
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:19,040
specifically say that you know they

2656
01:51:25,390 --> 01:51:22,010
could be coming from the earth you know

2657
01:51:28,900 --> 01:51:25,400
that's that's one of the implications of

2658
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:28,910
this book with a Walter Bosley I mean oh

2659
01:51:36,310 --> 01:51:32,960
and oh like a lot of course nice but on

2660
01:51:39,550 --> 01:51:36,320
the show and you know even Paul

2661
01:51:41,110 --> 01:51:39,560
bennewitz all this mysterious stuff the

2662
01:51:43,150 --> 01:51:41,120
cattle mutilations are all going on

2663
01:51:45,370 --> 01:51:43,160
around Dulce and New Mexico

2664
01:51:48,730 --> 01:51:45,380
Paul bennewitz actually took photographs

2665
01:51:51,820 --> 01:51:48,740
of objects that he said that there were

2666
01:51:54,220 --> 01:51:51,830
doors that actually opened to to a vast

2667
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:54,230
cavern system there and we published on

2668
01:51:58,450 --> 01:51:55,370
the back of his bennewitz

2669
01:52:00,970 --> 01:51:58,460
papers a photograph of three objects

2670
01:52:02,710 --> 01:52:00,980
seemingly going into the cavern law yeah

2671
01:52:04,740 --> 01:52:02,720
I mean the whole the whole UFO

2672
01:52:07,620 --> 01:52:04,750
phenomenon has has really been

2673
01:52:11,650 --> 01:52:07,630
interconnected with the with the whole

2674
01:52:16,270 --> 01:52:11,660
under Hollow Earth and caverns beneath

2675
01:52:18,220 --> 01:52:16,280
our feet idea almost from the from the

2676
01:52:20,710 --> 01:52:18,230
very beginning and great Palmer was one

2677
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:20,720
of the first to put that connection

2678
01:52:23,940 --> 01:52:21,489
together

2679
01:52:25,950 --> 01:52:23,950
yes you a question though about Homer we

2680
01:52:27,690 --> 01:52:25,960
mentioned Palmer a couple of times and

2681
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:27,700
some of the chatter we've gotten from

2682
01:52:32,370 --> 01:52:30,130
other guests is that Ray Palmer

2683
01:52:33,900 --> 01:52:32,380
fascinating individual I actually met

2684
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:33,910
him at one time and talked for my

2685
01:52:38,340 --> 01:52:36,250
Thompson the phone Tim to him dad a lot

2686
01:52:41,100 --> 01:52:38,350
of times he was playing games with us he

2687
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:41,110
was just saying this to get people to

2688
01:52:45,930 --> 01:52:44,290
react to his stuff he wrote well isn't

2689
01:52:47,070 --> 01:52:45,940
that great in the UFO field maybe we

2690
01:52:48,450 --> 01:52:47,080
should have more of it I think we

2691
01:52:50,610 --> 01:52:48,460
probably have more or less today than we

2692
01:52:53,190 --> 01:52:50,620
than we did back then because everything

2693
01:52:55,010 --> 01:52:53,200
cited maybe Palmer was nuts and bolts

2694
01:52:56,910 --> 01:52:55,020
you know and and ups and both the people

2695
01:52:59,760 --> 01:52:56,920
they don't they don't want to hear about

2696
01:53:02,310 --> 01:52:59,770
this I mean now I remember sullenbode

2697
01:53:04,440 --> 01:53:02,320
Bronco telling me this story you know he

2698
01:53:06,060 --> 01:53:04,450
was an assistant of dr. Hynek as was

2699
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:06,070
tension Phillips who you've also had on

2700
01:53:11,100 --> 01:53:08,290
the other program and these are both of

2701
01:53:12,930 --> 01:53:11,110
fairly reputable really starts

2702
01:53:14,370 --> 01:53:12,940
researchers I you know I'm proud to know

2703
01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:14,380
both of these guys and they've done some

2704
01:53:18,690 --> 01:53:16,960
fabulous work I mean Ted Phillips with

2705
01:53:20,459 --> 01:53:18,700
his ground

2706
01:53:22,140 --> 01:53:20,469
you know cases with the markings on the

2707
01:53:24,060 --> 01:53:22,150
ground and the landing you know I need

2708
01:53:25,620 --> 01:53:24,070
to physical trace this tremendous four

2709
01:53:27,959 --> 01:53:25,630
or five hundred cases that he's actually

2710
01:53:30,270 --> 01:53:27,969
worked you know worked on the first hand

2711
01:53:31,709 --> 01:53:30,280
anyway they were both assistants is dr.

2712
01:53:35,010 --> 01:53:31,719
Hynek worked with him on a number of

2713
01:53:37,410 --> 01:53:35,020
cases and you know Phillip now he was

2714
01:53:38,970 --> 01:53:37,420
probably the first to start ng out in

2715
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:38,980
the that direction too so I remember he

2716
01:53:42,630 --> 01:53:40,930
used to write for a UFO universe

2717
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:42,640
magazine that I was editing at the time

2718
01:53:46,770 --> 01:53:45,610
and he was of course involved in the UFO

2719
01:53:49,590 --> 01:53:46,780
sightings over in the Hudson in the

2720
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valley this boomerang that shaped craft

2721
01:53:53,700 --> 01:53:52,150
obscene by tens of thousands of people I

2722
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:53,710
mean there was one incident where 500

2723
01:53:58,800 --> 01:53:55,810
cars pulled over on the side of the road

2724
01:54:00,750 --> 01:53:58,810
and watched this silent craft three

2725
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:00,760
times the size of a football field pass

2726
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:03,850
overhead kind of like the Phoenix lights

2727
01:54:08,010 --> 01:54:05,650
putting up with flares

2728
01:54:10,830 --> 01:54:08,020
you know the earlier slides that you

2729
01:54:12,990 --> 01:54:10,840
miss gee and you know so he started they

2730
01:54:16,020 --> 01:54:13,000
started both Ted and she'll start out

2731
01:54:18,090 --> 01:54:16,030
and that's both but it still as he

2732
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started to get more into this he

2733
01:54:23,550 --> 01:54:20,800
realized there was a lot more paranormal

2734
01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:23,560
annoys going on here and he has doctors

2735
01:54:28,830 --> 01:54:25,570
I think he said well why don't we talk

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01:54:31,530 --> 01:54:28,840
about some of this other material in dr.

2737
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Phoenix as well maybe you know we know

2738
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:32,920
that it's going on in fact dr. Heine

2739
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:34,450
told me some pretty wild men in black

2740
01:54:38,160 --> 01:54:35,170
stories

2741
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but because I was editor of the Close

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Encounters poster magazine that came out

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around the time of the movie and of

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course dr. Hynek was a an advisor

2745
01:54:48,209 --> 01:54:45,639
consultant on it he showed up for the

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caviar Oh anyway

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Hynek knew that he even knew that there

2748
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was paranormal aspects with us but he

2749
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told fillies and you know better not to

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let let the press know about this or

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they'll have a field day because you

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know they're looking for

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sensationalistic stuff for the blown out

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of proportion and use it against us so

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let's keep away from that as much as

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possible so basically here we have Hynek

2757
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being politically correct now I

2758
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interviewed him yeah if he asks before

2759
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he died he was giving broad hints that

2760
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there's a lot more to this phenomenon

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than we assume we have to do the break

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Steinberg Chris O'Brien's the co-host ER

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in the power cast we were talking about

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the fact that Hynek basically believed

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in a lot more than physical UFOs but he

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wanted to be politically correct yes but

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he did start talking about towards the

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end he did start discussing a lot of

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this material we have it in interviews

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of which we've published in some of

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which we haven't but to say what would

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Ted Phillips I mean Ted started out with

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the you know they're landing trace cases

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and then a little by little he realized

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hey there's something going on here

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that's a far exceed spaceships from

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other planets and next time I think I

2906
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even heard him on your show what did he

2907
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talk about he talked about this thing

2908
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:09,510
underground again here we are

2909
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underground it is at chess LaMacchia

2910
02:01:16,010 --> 02:01:13,650
apparently some sort of machine or being

2911
02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:16,020
that's and he's wanted to go back into

2912
02:01:20,810 --> 02:01:18,090
the caves to investigate this for many

2913
02:01:24,530 --> 02:01:20,820
many years so anyway we know now that

2914
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:24,540
UFOs are just not vehicles from outer

2915
02:01:31,820 --> 02:01:28,970
space but I still respects then freedom

2916
02:01:33,740 --> 02:01:31,830
well here we go I've got a question for

2917
02:01:35,690 --> 02:01:33,750
you from one over a longtime forum

2918
02:01:39,580 --> 02:01:35,700
posters tighter

2919
02:01:41,960 --> 02:01:39,590
0:01 this is rather tongue-in-cheek but

2920
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please ask mr. Beckley if there is

2921
02:01:46,370 --> 02:01:44,070
anything he doesn't believe in I really

2922
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don't mean that as snarky I subscribed

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to his conspiracy general email version

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but I've gotten a print version of it

2925
02:01:53,979 --> 02:01:51,920
and before and Wow

2926
02:01:56,020 --> 02:01:53,989
it was full of advertisements for the

2927
02:01:58,120 --> 02:01:56,030
mystical rites of Moses and Solomon with

2928
02:01:59,800 --> 02:01:58,130
the original I guess Arabic spells for

2929
02:02:01,270 --> 02:01:59,810
whiter teeth and fresher breath and

2930
02:02:03,970 --> 02:02:01,280
eternal youth and money out of the

2931
02:02:06,040 --> 02:02:03,980
yin-yang type advertisements I'm reading

2932
02:02:07,959 --> 02:02:06,050
this verbatim also mr. Baek Lee himself

2933
02:02:10,150 --> 02:02:07,969
has written and produced several books

2934
02:02:12,370 --> 02:02:10,160
and films about most every esoteric

2935
02:02:14,260 --> 02:02:12,380
subject people can imagine so I honestly

2936
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:14,270
wonder if he is truly skeptical about

2937
02:02:23,770 --> 02:02:20,810
anything if I were the publisher of

2938
02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:23,780
Doubleday right and I put out 300 books

2939
02:02:28,419 --> 02:02:26,210
a year first of all the problem is here

2940
02:02:29,169 --> 02:02:28,429
is that people know me it's my brand

2941
02:02:31,180 --> 02:02:29,179
name

2942
02:02:32,380 --> 02:02:31,190
Doubleday is sub guy who's been dead for

2943
02:02:34,720 --> 02:02:32,390
a hundred years right

2944
02:02:37,990 --> 02:02:34,730
Doubleday puts out a book about the Karl

2945
02:02:39,850 --> 02:02:38,000
Marx and they put out one about all of

2946
02:02:43,240 --> 02:02:39,860
Hitler does that mean that there and mr.

2947
02:02:46,780 --> 02:02:43,250
Doubleday is a communist or does it mean

2948
02:02:49,300 --> 02:02:46,790
that he is a fascist I published two

2949
02:02:50,890 --> 02:02:49,310
types of book I published books that I

2950
02:02:53,590 --> 02:02:50,900
believe it those are usually the ones

2951
02:02:55,240 --> 02:02:53,600
that don't sell and I publish books that

2952
02:02:58,120 --> 02:02:55,250
I take other people will be interested

2953
02:03:00,280 --> 02:02:58,130
in because I am a publisher right and I

2954
02:03:02,860 --> 02:03:00,290
published a wide variety of material

2955
02:03:05,380 --> 02:03:02,870
that other larger publishers wouldn't

2956
02:03:07,570 --> 02:03:05,390
touch because it's a very limited niche

2957
02:03:09,250 --> 02:03:07,580
audience there's something to magic

2958
02:03:12,280 --> 02:03:09,260
there's no doubt about that in fact I

2959
02:03:14,229 --> 02:03:12,290
think that even the UFO say is tied up

2960
02:03:15,790 --> 02:03:14,239
with the magic to some extent I mean

2961
02:03:18,450 --> 02:03:15,800
some people even believe that I was the

2962
02:03:21,790 --> 02:03:18,460
crowley I managed to materialize an

2963
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:21,800
extraterrestrial of some sort the early

2964
02:03:28,240 --> 02:03:24,890
founders of NASA were involved in

2965
02:03:30,340 --> 02:03:28,250
magical rights and and we know also too

2966
02:03:32,410 --> 02:03:30,350
that the that almost all of the

2967
02:03:35,110 --> 02:03:32,420
astronauts were members of the Masonic

2968
02:03:37,990 --> 02:03:35,120
Order just because I published a book

2969
02:03:39,850 --> 02:03:38,000
I'm a publisher so I published a lot of

2970
02:03:42,220 --> 02:03:39,860
different things doesn't necessarily

2971
02:03:43,090 --> 02:03:42,230
mean that I believe that there's a lot

2972
02:03:45,729 --> 02:03:43,100
of things that I haven't had the

2973
02:03:47,860 --> 02:03:45,739
opportunity to investigate firsthand but

2974
02:03:50,380 --> 02:03:47,870
I do pick writers who know their subject

2975
02:03:52,240 --> 02:03:50,390
and so if a writer out of real life

2976
02:03:54,790 --> 02:03:52,250
I think protein and I and and Tim would

2977
02:03:57,490 --> 02:03:54,800
agree that it's very difficult to hang

2978
02:03:59,560 --> 02:03:57,500
the belief banner on a publisher who

2979
02:04:01,750 --> 02:03:59,570
happens to publish certain types of

2980
02:04:03,669 --> 02:04:01,760
books but I think basically the question

2981
02:04:05,169 --> 02:04:03,679
that's harder was asking is what are you

2982
02:04:07,299 --> 02:04:05,179
skeptical about where do you

2983
02:04:10,060 --> 02:04:07,309
draw the line in terms of about

2984
02:04:11,500 --> 02:04:10,070
everything oh no you have to know that's

2985
02:04:13,449 --> 02:04:11,510
what people that understand answer I

2986
02:04:15,910 --> 02:04:13,459
just kept tickle about everything I I

2987
02:04:18,069 --> 02:04:15,920
believe that there is a possibility that

2988
02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:18,079
a lot of this phenomena is real but I'm

2989
02:04:22,569 --> 02:04:20,090
skeptical about it if somebody tells me

2990
02:04:25,060 --> 02:04:22,579
a story I don't necessarily believe it

2991
02:04:28,120 --> 02:04:25,070
just based on that no but I enjoy the

2992
02:04:30,759 --> 02:04:28,130
company of people I like the the

2993
02:04:32,649 --> 02:04:30,769
contactees better personally than I do

2994
02:04:33,969 --> 02:04:32,659
the nuts and bolts of people because I

2995
02:04:34,689 --> 02:04:33,979
don't want to hear about this all day

2996
02:04:36,489 --> 02:04:34,699
and all night

2997
02:04:38,350 --> 02:04:36,499
I have other interests I'm interested in

2998
02:04:40,179 --> 02:04:38,360
rock and roll I produced bands I'm

2999
02:04:41,529 --> 02:04:40,189
mister Creepo I do a bunch of horror

3000
02:04:43,390 --> 02:04:41,539
movies you know so I have a lot of

3001
02:04:45,399 --> 02:04:43,400
interest I'd like to read on a lot of

3002
02:04:47,259 --> 02:04:45,409
subjects I like to find out I'm an

3003
02:04:48,879 --> 02:04:47,269
investigative the journalists say I

3004
02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:48,889
wrote a lot of articles like I say for

3005
02:04:52,929 --> 02:04:51,170
the tabloid doesn't mean that people say

3006
02:04:54,160 --> 02:04:52,939
oh you believe Bill Shatner's story

3007
02:04:56,350 --> 02:04:54,170
about that contest you know here's a

3008
02:04:57,910 --> 02:04:56,360
experience with the MIB in the desert

3009
02:04:59,859 --> 02:04:57,920
while he was out on the motorcycle and

3010
02:05:02,919 --> 02:04:59,869
now he says well he just made it up to

3011
02:05:04,509 --> 02:05:02,929
tease or to get some interest from the

3012
02:05:06,339 --> 02:05:04,519
journalists well he would make up any

3013
02:05:08,529 --> 02:05:06,349
story as he went along and I realized

3014
02:05:10,209 --> 02:05:08,539
that so I don't put the whole UFO

3015
02:05:11,229 --> 02:05:10,219
phenomena on the back of Bill Shannon

3016
02:05:12,910 --> 02:05:11,239
just because he said something that

3017
02:05:14,169 --> 02:05:12,920
turns out it isn't true doesn't mean

3018
02:05:16,029 --> 02:05:14,179
that I don't believe everything else I'm

3019
02:05:18,969 --> 02:05:16,039
gonna report a story yeah it's a very

3020
02:05:20,979 --> 02:05:18,979
natural life for yourself it's all up to

3021
02:05:23,589 --> 02:05:20,989
the individual and that's where I leave

3022
02:05:27,009 --> 02:05:23,599
it here is the material it's the best

3023
02:05:29,290 --> 02:05:27,019
that can be produced and you decide so

3024
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:29,300
why should I not publish a book if

3025
02:05:32,649 --> 02:05:31,010
somebody is going to be interested in

3026
02:05:34,629 --> 02:05:32,659
now there's some things that I wouldn't

3027
02:05:37,060 --> 02:05:34,639
probably publish like a billy meier book

3028
02:05:40,299 --> 02:05:37,070
or something by the Raelians because I'm

3029
02:05:42,850 --> 02:05:40,309
not into cultism in that sense anybody

3030
02:05:46,029 --> 02:05:42,860
who says I am the only representative of

3031
02:05:47,949 --> 02:05:46,039
the space people or I'm the only one who

3032
02:05:50,949 --> 02:05:47,959
has the contact with everybody else is a

3033
02:05:53,199 --> 02:05:50,959
fake well I don't buy that I just don't

3034
02:05:54,850 --> 02:05:53,209
know I that I'm sorry if anybody comes

3035
02:05:56,310 --> 02:05:54,860
to you and says that they have the

3036
02:05:59,529 --> 02:05:56,320
ultimate answer that they know

3037
02:06:01,229 --> 02:05:59,539
definitively what's going on yeah I'm

3038
02:06:03,759 --> 02:06:01,239
gonna be skeptical I mean you know it's

3039
02:06:06,669 --> 02:06:03,769
there's just too much going on for any

3040
02:06:08,169 --> 02:06:06,679
definitive answer right now so I run the

3041
02:06:10,359 --> 02:06:08,179
other way I don't want to get slimed or

3042
02:06:13,029 --> 02:06:10,369
possibly linked in with that sort of

3043
02:06:13,390 --> 02:06:13,039
thinking how you just answered the

3044
02:06:15,429 --> 02:06:13,400
question

3045
02:06:17,420 --> 02:06:15,439
John was it's very interesting because

3046
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:17,430
it dovetails nicely into another

3047
02:06:22,970 --> 02:06:19,770
question by Angela one of our moderators

3048
02:06:24,920 --> 02:06:22,980
at the forum dr. podcast.com Angela is

3049
02:06:27,620 --> 02:06:24,930
one of our resident healthy open-minded

3050
02:06:29,060 --> 02:06:27,630
skeptics and he's wondering and this is

3051
02:06:31,460 --> 02:06:29,070
a really good question I've never had

3052
02:06:33,710 --> 02:06:31,470
anybody ask me this but here's one for

3053
02:06:35,570 --> 02:06:33,720
both of you please ask the Tim's if

3054
02:06:37,430 --> 02:06:35,580
there are any cases that people still

3055
02:06:42,950 --> 02:06:37,440
hold up is real even though they've been

3056
02:06:46,820 --> 02:06:42,960
explained to proven as hoaxes yes very

3057
02:06:49,100 --> 02:06:46,830
here is a very famous case and I have an

3058
02:06:50,900 --> 02:06:49,110
explanation for it and anybody it's a

3059
02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:50,910
photograph is the photograph that was

3060
02:06:54,530 --> 02:06:51,930
taken over

3061
02:06:59,840 --> 02:06:54,540
I believe it's Costa Oklahoma back

3062
02:07:02,000 --> 02:06:59,850
around the flap of 64 taken by a young

3063
02:07:04,640 --> 02:07:02,010
boy by the name of Alan Smith

3064
02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:04,650
he claims he saw this as a strange light

3065
02:07:09,800 --> 02:07:06,570
he was with his father saw the strange

3066
02:07:12,500 --> 02:07:09,810
light in the sky took a photograph of it

3067
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:12,510
okay a couple of weeks later a week

3068
02:07:15,680 --> 02:07:14,400
later he goes to pick up the film when

3069
02:07:18,530 --> 02:07:15,690
he gets to the film back

3070
02:07:19,850 --> 02:07:18,540
the photos are blank well you know darn

3071
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:19,860
well if you take photographs at night

3072
02:07:22,940 --> 02:07:21,450
they're gonna be blank right I mean most

3073
02:07:24,770 --> 02:07:22,950
of the time that's when people say oh

3074
02:07:26,120 --> 02:07:24,780
you can't you know like why didn't you

3075
02:07:27,170 --> 02:07:26,130
take a photograph I well most of the

3076
02:07:29,030 --> 02:07:27,180
photographs if you take them especially

3077
02:07:31,220 --> 02:07:29,040
at night if the lights in the sky ain't

3078
02:07:33,740 --> 02:07:31,230
gonna get anything anyway he looked at

3079
02:07:36,230 --> 02:07:33,750
the negatives closely and he saw a

3080
02:07:38,630 --> 02:07:36,240
smudge or something on the negativity

3081
02:07:40,850 --> 02:07:38,640
took it back to the the processor and

3082
02:07:43,160 --> 02:07:40,860
said blow this up make a print under so

3083
02:07:45,740 --> 02:07:43,170
they made a print and this is a very

3084
02:07:46,520 --> 02:07:45,750
famous photograph it shows a tri-colored

3085
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:46,530
object

3086
02:07:53,240 --> 02:07:50,010
yes I believe red blue and green well

3087
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:53,250
this has been touted about as a esthetic

3088
02:07:58,610 --> 02:07:56,010
photograph well it is I was going

3089
02:08:00,320 --> 02:07:58,620
through a copy of Playboy magazine of

3090
02:08:02,330 --> 02:08:00,330
course just to read the articles many

3091
02:08:05,960 --> 02:08:02,340
years ago there is a painting in there

3092
02:08:08,420 --> 02:08:05,970
by an artist that goes back to around 19

3093
02:08:09,950 --> 02:08:08,430
the 20 members they both had I'll tell

3094
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:09,960
you I get to the painting in a moment

3095
02:08:14,780 --> 02:08:12,330
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3098
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3099
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3100
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3101
02:08:28,680 --> 02:08:27,150
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3102
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3213
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mr. UFO now Tim you were telling us

3214
02:13:20,830 --> 02:13:18,530
about this playboy photo okay there was

3215
02:13:22,240 --> 02:13:20,840
an artist okay he I'm just trying to

3216
02:13:24,720 --> 02:13:22,250
look this up on the internet now but he

3217
02:13:29,459 --> 02:13:24,730
did a lot of a very bizarre kind of

3218
02:13:33,310 --> 02:13:29,469
abstract paintings from around nineteen

3219
02:13:36,010 --> 02:13:33,320
twenty twenty five and one of the the

3220
02:13:37,630 --> 02:13:36,020
the paintings that he did well he's most

3221
02:13:40,510 --> 02:13:37,640
famous for the painting that was used

3222
02:13:41,979 --> 02:13:40,520
for the poster Oh Calcutta in fact

3223
02:13:45,910 --> 02:13:41,989
that's how why he was a Playboy magazine

3224
02:13:48,160 --> 02:13:45,920
it's a photo of a derriere and you know

3225
02:13:50,919 --> 02:13:48,170
it's artistic and he was quite he was

3226
02:13:52,840 --> 02:13:50,929
quite an artist very abstract okay so in

3227
02:13:55,510 --> 02:13:52,850
this issue of Playboy magazine they and

3228
02:13:58,600 --> 02:13:55,520
they published four or five pages of the

3229
02:14:00,010 --> 02:13:58,610
other artwork okay there's a painting

3230
02:14:04,750 --> 02:14:00,020
that this gentleman did around I think

3231
02:14:07,060 --> 02:14:04,760
1917 or so that shows a castle a very

3232
02:14:09,160 --> 02:14:07,070
ominous looking like omens and signs and

3233
02:14:10,689 --> 02:14:09,170
there's a pope in red it was some

3234
02:14:12,669 --> 02:14:10,699
religious statement that he's making

3235
02:14:15,130 --> 02:14:12,679
it's the Catholic Church or something

3236
02:14:17,200 --> 02:14:15,140
up in the sky are comets shooting

3237
02:14:20,140 --> 02:14:17,210
through the air and a very strange

3238
02:14:23,169 --> 02:14:20,150
aerial something or other just bizarre I

3239
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:23,179
mean it okay you look at that painting

3240
02:14:29,110 --> 02:14:26,570
and you zoom in on listen tri-colored

3241
02:14:32,260 --> 02:14:29,120
object that's up above this mysterious

3242
02:14:35,950 --> 02:14:32,270
darkened castle it's the exact same

3243
02:14:39,160 --> 02:14:35,960
object that's in that photograph stroke

3244
02:14:41,530 --> 02:14:39,170
for stroke point-by-point you cannot

3245
02:14:43,570 --> 02:14:41,540
look at it and you cannot say that it

3246
02:14:45,430 --> 02:14:43,580
isn't the same thing now what is my

3247
02:14:47,740 --> 02:14:45,440
explanation that the boy hopes this no

3248
02:14:51,580 --> 02:14:47,750
but I would believe that perhaps he in

3249
02:14:54,130 --> 02:14:51,590
his bed we're at a museum right maybe at

3250
02:14:55,390 --> 02:14:54,140
the same time is the legitimate UFO

3251
02:14:57,250 --> 02:14:55,400
sighting that he might have had

3252
02:14:58,810 --> 02:14:57,260
he took a photograph in the museum now

3253
02:15:01,090 --> 02:14:58,820
you know you can't use flashes in a

3254
02:15:03,040 --> 02:15:01,100
museum right gene so he took it and the

3255
02:15:04,660 --> 02:15:03,050
pictures didn't come out but he holds it

3256
02:15:06,729 --> 02:15:04,670
up and he sees this thing maybe it's a

3257
02:15:08,169 --> 02:15:06,739
one little speck that came out on the on

3258
02:15:10,270 --> 02:15:08,179
the photograph from the painting he

3259
02:15:12,370 --> 02:15:10,280
blows it up and it's this object that

3260
02:15:14,260 --> 02:15:12,380
looks like a UFO because it is a UFO in

3261
02:15:16,720 --> 02:15:14,270
the painting but it has nothing to do

3262
02:15:18,260 --> 02:15:16,730
with the sightings over Tulsa okay now

3263
02:15:20,510 --> 02:15:18,270
just recently it was the

3264
02:15:22,610 --> 02:15:20,520
anniversary like the 25th anniversary of

3265
02:15:25,130 --> 02:15:22,620
this particular citing the Cosa paper

3266
02:15:28,130 --> 02:15:25,140
did a big story about it the boy hasn't

3267
02:15:29,960 --> 02:15:28,140
he's grown into a man obviously but he

3268
02:15:31,970 --> 02:15:29,970
hasn't talked to anybody about this in

3269
02:15:33,680 --> 02:15:31,980
years and refuses to give interviews but

3270
02:15:36,050 --> 02:15:33,690
they had the original photographs of him

3271
02:15:38,150 --> 02:15:36,060
when he was 14 and 15 years old holding

3272
02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:38,160
up the snapshot of this mysterious

3273
02:15:40,940 --> 02:15:39,450
object in the sky

3274
02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:40,950
well the mysterious object of the sky

3275
02:15:46,610 --> 02:15:43,530
has been identified I said the copy of

3276
02:15:48,380 --> 02:15:46,620
the photo along with a copy of the

3277
02:15:50,150 --> 02:15:48,390
painting which I can do to you know gene

3278
02:15:52,640 --> 02:15:50,160
if you want to post it and you can see

3279
02:15:54,380 --> 02:15:52,650
it's the exact same object I thought

3280
02:15:56,900 --> 02:15:54,390
that the Tulsa paper in all fairness

3281
02:15:58,370 --> 02:15:56,910
would print a my my letter with the

3282
02:16:00,680 --> 02:15:58,380
photographs with the explanation but

3283
02:16:03,830 --> 02:16:00,690
they avoided it because I guess pulse

3284
02:16:06,770 --> 02:16:03,840
even Tulsa needs a mystery and so it may

3285
02:16:08,630 --> 02:16:06,780
be the only mystery in Tulsa and to the

3286
02:16:10,550 --> 02:16:08,640
Tulsa newspaper it will remain a mystery

3287
02:16:13,460 --> 02:16:10,560
but Tim Beckley has solved the mystery

3288
02:16:14,780 --> 02:16:13,470
of this flying saucer over Tulsa so you

3289
02:16:16,220 --> 02:16:14,790
know I mean I could I could have swept

3290
02:16:18,080 --> 02:16:16,230
it under the rug right actually does not

3291
02:16:20,390 --> 02:16:18,090
said anything about it anybody let it

3292
02:16:21,680 --> 02:16:20,400
stay a mystery but no if you need an

3293
02:16:24,080 --> 02:16:21,690
explanation for something and what

3294
02:16:25,520 --> 02:16:24,090
exists tell it I'm not I'm not afraid to

3295
02:16:26,450 --> 02:16:25,530
do that you know if it hurts a few book

3296
02:16:29,860 --> 02:16:26,460
sales that's alright

3297
02:16:32,089 --> 02:16:29,870
I got two hundred and ten other vibes

3298
02:16:33,980 --> 02:16:32,099
anyway that that's the story of the

3299
02:16:36,799 --> 02:16:33,990
mysterious light over Tulsa and if you

3300
02:16:39,500 --> 02:16:36,809
go to the Internet and you type in you

3301
02:16:42,200 --> 02:16:39,510
know at Google under images the red pulp

3302
02:16:44,570 --> 02:16:42,210
you'll see it right away and there's no

3303
02:16:47,959 --> 02:16:44,580
you match that object up above the

3304
02:16:51,530 --> 02:16:47,969
castle alongside of the photograph taken

3305
02:16:53,990 --> 02:16:51,540
by the young boy and Oklahoma and

3306
02:16:56,750 --> 02:16:54,000
there's no doubt it is that object case

3307
02:17:03,470 --> 02:16:59,299
I've got a story that this happened

3308
02:17:06,009 --> 02:17:03,480
around 1973 during wasn't too long I

3309
02:17:10,549 --> 02:17:06,019
think after the Pascagoula Mississippi

3310
02:17:13,879 --> 02:17:10,559
UFO abduction and this happened near

3311
02:17:16,310 --> 02:17:13,889
Hartford City Indiana and this truck

3312
02:17:19,660 --> 02:17:16,320
driver driving down the road one evening

3313
02:17:22,370 --> 02:17:19,670
he described it as two Martians

3314
02:17:24,190 --> 02:17:22,380
floating over a fence that was alongside

3315
02:17:26,990 --> 02:17:24,200
of the road says that they were a

3316
02:17:29,759 --> 02:17:27,000
silvery you know dressed all in silver

3317
02:17:33,629 --> 02:17:29,769
and glow-in-the-dark and they

3318
02:17:35,819 --> 02:17:33,639
and claw-like hands and they floated

3319
02:17:40,740 --> 02:17:35,829
over the fence towards the road and

3320
02:17:43,939 --> 02:17:40,750
disappeared in the ditch and this you

3321
02:17:47,419 --> 02:17:43,949
and you can still read this report in a

3322
02:17:50,790 --> 02:17:47,429
lot of books that that talk about the

3323
02:17:53,549 --> 02:17:50,800
1973-1974 UFO flap that happened in the

3324
02:17:56,580 --> 02:17:53,559
United States at the time a lot of times

3325
02:18:00,769 --> 02:17:56,590
in conjunction with the Pascagoula UFO

3326
02:18:04,200 --> 02:18:00,779
incident well it turns out that the

3327
02:18:04,919 --> 02:18:04,210
aliens that were seen floating over the

3328
02:18:08,459 --> 02:18:04,929
fence

3329
02:18:10,979 --> 02:18:08,469
I discovered were actually two little

3330
02:18:14,099 --> 02:18:10,989
kids who had wrapped themselves up with

3331
02:18:16,500 --> 02:18:14,109
aluminum foil and with with the

3332
02:18:18,540 --> 02:18:16,510
intention of going along the side of the

3333
02:18:22,559 --> 02:18:18,550
road and waving the cars as they went by

3334
02:18:25,349 --> 02:18:22,569
well in the process of trying to clamor

3335
02:18:29,240 --> 02:18:25,359
over this fence one of them got their

3336
02:18:31,950 --> 02:18:29,250
pants caught and was hanging upside down

3337
02:18:34,109 --> 02:18:31,960
while the other one was what it was

3338
02:18:37,799 --> 02:18:34,119
trying to get him free now how this

3339
02:18:40,620 --> 02:18:37,809
truck driver ever turned that into to

3340
02:18:43,169 --> 02:18:40,630
two little glowing aliens floating over

3341
02:18:45,839 --> 02:18:43,179
the fence all ever though but what what

3342
02:18:47,759 --> 02:18:45,849
happened was that the the next day their

3343
02:18:50,219 --> 02:18:47,769
parents found out what was going on what

3344
02:18:52,830 --> 02:18:50,229
happened and basically grabbed them by

3345
02:18:56,160 --> 02:18:52,840
their ears and marched them to the local

3346
02:18:58,740 --> 02:18:56,170
police station and and had had them tell

3347
02:19:01,439 --> 02:18:58,750
personally that what had happened well

3348
02:19:04,319 --> 02:19:01,449
by this time of course the the story had

3349
02:19:09,839 --> 02:19:04,329
gotten out about the report of the truck

3350
02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:09,849
driver you know strange as it is the

3351
02:19:16,319 --> 02:19:12,010
story about what really happened never

3352
02:19:19,439 --> 02:19:16,329
really got any press time which to me is

3353
02:19:23,399 --> 02:19:19,449
is really funny because anymore you know

3354
02:19:26,069 --> 02:19:23,409
if you read about a report on UFO

3355
02:19:28,410 --> 02:19:26,079
reports in the newspaper almost

3356
02:19:30,479 --> 02:19:28,420
inevitably the next day there will be a

3357
02:19:33,089 --> 02:19:30,489
follow-up story where somebody will say

3358
02:19:34,910 --> 02:19:33,099
oh yeah well you know it was just some

3359
02:19:38,009 --> 02:19:34,920
some guy who attached some road flares

3360
02:19:41,879 --> 02:19:38,019
to a kite and you know was flying in

3361
02:19:42,490 --> 02:19:41,889
above the road and something like that

3362
02:19:46,959 --> 02:19:42,500
it was

3363
02:19:49,420 --> 02:19:46,969
a lot of times an explanation that seems

3364
02:19:54,220 --> 02:19:49,430
to be even more far-fetched than the

3365
02:19:57,220 --> 02:19:54,230
actual UFO report itself but anymore the

3366
02:20:00,700 --> 02:19:57,230
media does not like to exist in a vacuum

3367
02:20:02,260 --> 02:20:00,710
they like to have a cut and dry answer

3368
02:20:07,630 --> 02:20:02,270
as quickly as they can

3369
02:20:09,610 --> 02:20:07,640
and so they'll glom onto usually the

3370
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:09,620
first explanation no matter how

3371
02:20:14,290 --> 02:20:11,840
far-fetched it is anymore it's you know

3372
02:20:17,500 --> 02:20:14,300
weather balloons with flares attached or

3373
02:20:18,550 --> 02:20:17,510
kites with flares attached you know that

3374
02:20:23,980 --> 02:20:18,560
sort of thing

3375
02:20:26,530 --> 02:20:23,990
swamp gas swamp gas there well Tim have

3376
02:20:31,090 --> 02:20:26,540
you had any personal experiences other

3377
02:20:33,460 --> 02:20:31,100
than I think you mentioned a few UFO

3378
02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:33,470
events have you ever had any visitations

3379
02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:37,010
by MIB have you ever explained some sort

3380
02:20:41,050 --> 02:20:39,290
of haunted hanif Annamma nah or any

3381
02:20:48,850 --> 02:20:41,060
other strange so-called paranormal

3382
02:20:54,160 --> 02:20:48,860
events which Tim is this you know I've

3383
02:20:58,270 --> 02:20:54,170
had a few UFO sightings mostly just

3384
02:20:59,800 --> 02:20:58,280
lights in the sky at night and you know

3385
02:21:04,840 --> 02:20:59,810
when it comes to lights in the sky at

3386
02:21:06,910 --> 02:21:04,850
nights if that can be almost anything so

3387
02:21:10,990 --> 02:21:06,920
you know I really I really can't say

3388
02:21:18,510 --> 02:21:11,000
that you know they were definitive UFO

3389
02:21:24,610 --> 02:21:21,400
Memorial the day right after Memorial

3390
02:21:29,340 --> 02:21:24,620
Day about 10 o'clock at night I let my

3391
02:21:33,730 --> 02:21:29,350
dog outside and to the southwest of me

3392
02:21:37,270 --> 02:21:33,740
was an extremely bright red light in the

3393
02:21:40,390 --> 02:21:37,280
sky it the way I would describe it would

3394
02:21:42,580 --> 02:21:40,400
be like a traffic light you know the red

3395
02:21:45,190 --> 02:21:42,590
part of the traffic light there like an

3396
02:21:47,920 --> 02:21:45,200
LED light hanging in the sky and that's

3397
02:21:51,160 --> 02:21:47,930
all it was I mean it was just a steady

3398
02:21:52,810 --> 02:21:51,170
red light just just hanging there it was

3399
02:21:57,250 --> 02:21:52,820
a distance away you can tell it but it

3400
02:21:59,050 --> 02:21:57,260
was extremely bright unlike any airplane

3401
02:22:02,200 --> 02:21:59,060
lights that I have ever seen before and

3402
02:22:04,600 --> 02:22:02,210
I'm very familiar you know with all

3403
02:22:06,820 --> 02:22:04,610
airplane lights is this a single bright

3404
02:22:09,100 --> 02:22:06,830
red light and then all of a sudden it

3405
02:22:11,080 --> 02:22:09,110
just flicked itself out and it was gone

3406
02:22:14,200 --> 02:22:11,090
and I even stood outside and waited for

3407
02:22:18,130 --> 02:22:14,210
a while to see if you know there was an

3408
02:22:20,920 --> 02:22:18,140
aircraft passing overhead but but

3409
02:22:23,770 --> 02:22:20,930
nothing nothing flew overhead so I have

3410
02:22:25,030 --> 02:22:23,780
no explanation for that we'll get into

3411
02:22:27,010 --> 02:22:25,040
more stuff in a moment

3412
02:22:29,710 --> 02:22:27,020
that's Tim Schwartz we also have Tim

3413
02:22:35,410 --> 02:22:29,720
Beckley the co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

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Chris so I don't know if I'll be better

3533
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or worse we have Tim Beckley and Tim

3534
02:27:31,559 --> 02:27:29,079
Swartz on the power cast Tim you were

3535
02:27:34,019 --> 02:27:31,569
still discussing your particular episode

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have any further details to add as well

3537
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as investigating that UFOs and cryptid

3538
02:27:41,669 --> 02:27:38,619
creatures and things like that I've also

3539
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been to a number of haunted houses and

3540
02:27:47,099 --> 02:27:44,229
and haunted locations and I was ghost

3541
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hunting long long before it had become a

3542
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popular television show hey Tim tell us

3543
02:27:56,159 --> 02:27:52,810
about the teleportation yeah that's

3544
02:27:58,859 --> 02:27:56,169
exactly the story I was leading to and

3545
02:28:01,439 --> 02:27:58,869
this was I was working at a television

3546
02:28:04,769 --> 02:28:01,449
station in Dayton Ohio and this would

3547
02:28:09,119 --> 02:28:04,779
have been around 1983 got a report from

3548
02:28:11,849 --> 02:28:09,129
a couple who lived in Springfield Ohio

3549
02:28:14,219 --> 02:28:11,859
they were experiencing a poltergeist

3550
02:28:17,069 --> 02:28:14,229
activity they were an elderly couple and

3551
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they had just recently had to take in

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their grandchildren because their mother

3553
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had been sent to jail and one of them

3554
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was a a 13 year old girl and a

3555
02:28:29,010 --> 02:28:26,589
nine-year-old boy and about the same

3556
02:28:32,219 --> 02:28:29,020
time they started experiencing all kinds

3557
02:28:34,199 --> 02:28:32,229
of haunting activities furniture being

3558
02:28:37,289 --> 02:28:34,209
moved around and our raps on the wall

3559
02:28:39,419 --> 02:28:37,299
things like that so I took took my

3560
02:28:41,729 --> 02:28:39,429
television camera with me I was a

3561
02:28:42,989 --> 02:28:41,739
videographer at the time and went over

3562
02:28:45,689 --> 02:28:42,999
to this house to talk to the people

3563
02:28:47,099 --> 02:28:45,699
trying to record everything well one of

3564
02:28:49,829 --> 02:28:47,109
the first things that happened to me

3565
02:28:51,809 --> 02:28:49,839
when I went into this house was that all

3566
02:28:53,309 --> 02:28:51,819
the batteries on my camera and I'm

3567
02:28:57,389 --> 02:28:53,319
talking about you know a professional

3568
02:28:59,069 --> 02:28:57,399
video camera with very very heavy-duty

3569
02:29:01,529 --> 02:28:59,079
batteries that were freshly charged

3570
02:29:03,149 --> 02:29:01,539
batteries just immediately redid every

3571
02:29:04,910 --> 02:29:03,159
one of them that I had was dead and it

3572
02:29:08,631 --> 02:29:04,920
also included the I had

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Howard Belt that controlled a Sun gun

3574
02:29:12,110 --> 02:29:10,650
light that fit on top of the camera all

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02:29:14,600 --> 02:29:12,120
these batteries were just immediately

3576
02:29:16,850 --> 02:29:14,610
dead so I was sitting on the couch

3577
02:29:19,100 --> 02:29:16,860
talking with these people the kids were

3578
02:29:21,381 --> 02:29:19,110
were in their room in another part of

3579
02:29:24,530 --> 02:29:21,391
the house and it was in the early

3580
02:29:27,680 --> 02:29:24,540
evening and all of a sudden from the

3581
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ceiling almost right in front of me rock

3582
02:29:33,440 --> 02:29:30,630
started started dropping down a little

3583
02:29:37,220 --> 02:29:33,450
like white rocks like you'd find in your

3584
02:29:38,841 --> 02:29:37,230
driveway and just like about five or six

3585
02:29:42,440 --> 02:29:38,851
just you know just one after the other

3586
02:29:43,881 --> 02:29:42,450
from it it looked to me and this was a

3587
02:29:46,280 --> 02:29:43,891
fairly well lit room it looked to me

3588
02:29:48,620 --> 02:29:46,290
that these rocks were just materializing

3589
02:29:50,301 --> 02:29:48,630
about 2 inches below the ceiling and

3590
02:29:52,520 --> 02:29:50,311
dropping to the floor and I mean you

3591
02:29:56,631 --> 02:29:52,530
could hear him go clunk clunk clunk and

3592
02:29:59,180 --> 02:29:56,641
I even after they stopped falling I even

3593
02:30:01,970 --> 02:29:59,190
got a stepladder and and looks in that

3594
02:30:04,100 --> 02:30:01,980
area no holes or anything like that I

3595
02:30:05,870 --> 02:30:04,110
picked up the rocks appeared to be

3596
02:30:08,390 --> 02:30:05,880
normal rocks there was somewhat warm to

3597
02:30:11,150 --> 02:30:08,400
the touch so remembering an incident

3598
02:30:13,910 --> 02:30:11,160
that I've Mt Sanderson had wrote about

3599
02:30:16,700 --> 02:30:13,920
at one time I took a magic marker and I

3600
02:30:18,410 --> 02:30:16,710
marked an X on these rocks open the back

3601
02:30:20,660 --> 02:30:18,420
door of the house and threw them into

3602
02:30:23,660 --> 02:30:20,670
the cornfield right behind the house

3603
02:30:25,610 --> 02:30:23,670
went back in set down less than a minute

3604
02:30:28,131 --> 02:30:25,620
later here comes these rocks again

3605
02:30:30,980 --> 02:30:28,141
falling from the same part of a ceiling

3606
02:30:33,530 --> 02:30:30,990
each one had the very same X on it I

3607
02:30:36,200 --> 02:30:33,540
still have these rocks in my possession

3608
02:30:38,390 --> 02:30:36,210
by the way I have no explanation for

3609
02:30:42,801 --> 02:30:38,400
what was going on I I wish that I had

3610
02:30:45,950 --> 02:30:42,811
been able to capture this on video or on

3611
02:30:47,480 --> 02:30:45,960
camera but that seems to be the the way

3612
02:30:49,341 --> 02:30:47,490
of the beast so to speak when it comes

3613
02:30:51,831 --> 02:30:49,351
to these kinds of activities is that

3614
02:30:54,051 --> 02:30:51,841
they and almost it seems to know when

3615
02:30:56,450 --> 02:30:54,061
you're going to have the camera out or

3616
02:30:58,160 --> 02:30:56,460
looking directly at it and then it

3617
02:30:59,511 --> 02:30:58,170
proceeds to go someplace else

3618
02:31:01,100 --> 02:30:59,521
Chris you have some more questions

3619
02:31:03,980 --> 02:31:01,110
because we're running out of time yeah

3620
02:31:05,961 --> 02:31:03,990
Becky that daily just two final question

3621
02:31:08,450 --> 02:31:05,971
that we have here from our forum posters

3622
02:31:10,011 --> 02:31:08,460
have you had any experiences of like

3623
02:31:11,270 --> 02:31:10,021
some sort of strange awareness or any

3624
02:31:13,970 --> 02:31:11,280
interesting event like that when

3625
02:31:15,860 --> 02:31:13,980
interviewing so-called abductees or

3626
02:31:17,900 --> 02:31:15,870
contactees when or in the case of Tim

3627
02:31:21,320 --> 02:31:17,910
Schwarz mentioned people

3628
02:31:22,910 --> 02:31:21,330
subjected to a haunting of sorts well my

3629
02:31:24,530 --> 02:31:22,920
thing would be like this synchronicities

3630
02:31:27,261 --> 02:31:24,540
that I explained it I'd probably have

3631
02:31:29,930 --> 02:31:27,271
another half a dozen or so now I was

3632
02:31:32,150 --> 02:31:29,940
told and I don't remember this maybe I'd

3633
02:31:35,660 --> 02:31:32,160
blacked out I wasn't drinking

3634
02:31:37,730 --> 02:31:35,670
the town of Pine Bush in upstate New

3635
02:31:39,950 --> 02:31:37,740
York it's like they had a mini UFO

3636
02:31:41,090 --> 02:31:39,960
festival their weekend there two ago I

3637
02:31:42,650 --> 02:31:41,100
don't know how successful they were

3638
02:31:44,600 --> 02:31:42,660
because they didn't really do a good job

3639
02:31:47,210 --> 02:31:44,610
promoting it but there were there was a

3640
02:31:49,070 --> 02:31:47,220
UFO sightings not far from the Hudson

3641
02:31:51,290 --> 02:31:49,080
Valley area you know it's kind of seem

3642
02:31:54,220 --> 02:31:51,300
to be lumped in with all that you know

3643
02:31:56,660 --> 02:31:54,230
and materializations of objects and

3644
02:31:58,940 --> 02:31:56,670
creatures there was a cowboy named Ellen

3645
02:32:00,620 --> 02:31:58,950
Chris though she's since deceased she

3646
02:32:02,930 --> 02:32:00,630
worked with Harry levels than a good

3647
02:32:05,690 --> 02:32:02,940
friend of mine who was the UFO editor of

3648
02:32:07,430 --> 02:32:05,700
the magazine and they were having all

3649
02:32:11,330 --> 02:32:07,440
kinds of sightings up there and landings

3650
02:32:13,670 --> 02:32:11,340
and she did a UFO a book it was kind of

3651
02:32:15,020 --> 02:32:13,680
pine Bush's car like a UFO Central and I

3652
02:32:17,780 --> 02:32:15,030
know we went up there a couple of times

3653
02:32:19,790 --> 02:32:17,790
on an exploratory mission now I was

3654
02:32:22,310 --> 02:32:19,800
always very skeptical because I remember

3655
02:32:24,530 --> 02:32:22,320
one time that Ellen crystal came racing

3656
02:32:27,140 --> 02:32:24,540
out in her automobile thing she had just

3657
02:32:29,150 --> 02:32:27,150
seen this huge cross shaped object in

3658
02:32:30,590 --> 02:32:29,160
the sky followed by being trailed by I

3659
02:32:33,020 --> 02:32:30,600
don't know some other in crafts or

3660
02:32:34,850 --> 02:32:33,030
something like that and we were only

3661
02:32:37,460 --> 02:32:34,860
about a quarter mile away and we didn't

3662
02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:37,470
see anything now and at that point I

3663
02:32:43,340 --> 02:32:39,690
think it was a little bit more New Age

3664
02:32:44,900 --> 02:32:43,350
oriented or ungrounded now I kind of you

3665
02:32:47,300 --> 02:32:44,910
know go back and forth with these things

3666
02:32:49,310 --> 02:32:47,310
but my beliefs are subject to change but

3667
02:32:51,680 --> 02:32:49,320
again like I say I've been involved in

3668
02:32:54,261 --> 02:32:51,690
this for over 40 years so what the heck

3669
02:32:55,970 --> 02:32:54,271
you know anyway I was told that one

3670
02:32:58,910 --> 02:32:55,980
night we went on a sky watching I don't

3671
02:33:01,970 --> 02:32:58,920
remember this fellas and supposedly I

3672
02:33:03,710 --> 02:33:01,980
started channeling goodbye beams from

3673
02:33:05,530 --> 02:33:03,720
inside the crash and said with a craft

3674
02:33:09,080 --> 02:33:05,540
from and where they were coming over the

3675
02:33:10,700 --> 02:33:09,090
city and so Tim well I thought remember

3676
02:33:11,990 --> 02:33:10,710
it but the person who told me this I

3677
02:33:13,820 --> 02:33:12,000
don't believe that they were lying they

3678
02:33:15,560 --> 02:33:13,830
wouldn't make it up either it was

3679
02:33:17,360 --> 02:33:15,570
somebody I had seen about 20 years and

3680
02:33:18,740 --> 02:33:17,370
she said oh I remember when I was with

3681
02:33:20,420 --> 02:33:18,750
you in Pine Bush you'd started

3682
02:33:23,000 --> 02:33:20,430
channeling in the spaceship and you said

3683
02:33:25,011 --> 02:33:23,010
it was a space Brotherhood well I wasn't

3684
02:33:29,240 --> 02:33:25,021
even drinking on that time I never do it

3685
02:33:31,610 --> 02:33:29,250
don't do drugs and so I can't unless her

3686
02:33:34,220 --> 02:33:31,620
well all I know is my name is not

3687
02:33:37,790 --> 02:33:34,230
the bathroom wall in the barber shop in

3688
02:33:40,250 --> 02:33:37,800
Pine Bush now I it's not the graffiti

3689
02:33:42,500 --> 02:33:40,260
apparently the guy who owns the barber

3690
02:33:44,841 --> 02:33:42,510
shop that's where everybody used to meet

3691
02:33:46,970 --> 02:33:44,851
to tell the UFOs stories and he made up

3692
02:33:48,890 --> 02:33:46,980
a plaque of everybody who visited the

3693
02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:48,900
barber shop I saw it on TV I didn't even

3694
02:33:51,680 --> 02:33:50,250
though I'd been in the barber shop but

3695
02:33:53,990 --> 02:33:51,690
my name is on the bathroom wall the

3696
02:33:55,810 --> 02:33:54,000
barber shop in Pine Bush they had a

3697
02:33:57,980 --> 02:33:55,820
there's still some sightings up there

3698
02:33:59,390 --> 02:33:57,990
apparently I've talked to the locals

3699
02:34:00,530 --> 02:33:59,400
that again the people that have the

3700
02:34:03,140 --> 02:34:00,540
sightings never bothered to do this

3701
02:34:05,420 --> 02:34:03,150
because legends of mysterious lights in

3702
02:34:07,761 --> 02:34:05,430
the sky and landings and and weird

3703
02:34:10,160 --> 02:34:07,771
things going on go back to Indian the

3704
02:34:11,810 --> 02:34:10,170
types the Indian tribes that live up

3705
02:34:14,270 --> 02:34:11,820
there but then the UFO witnesses

3706
02:34:16,011 --> 02:34:14,280
bothered to do their their homework and

3707
02:34:18,110 --> 02:34:16,021
so they don't even realize that in fact

3708
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:18,120
some of the locals that I knew that

3709
02:34:21,500 --> 02:34:19,530
we're into the psychic I have a friend

3710
02:34:23,960 --> 02:34:21,510
who is a psychic reader and she wouldn't

3711
02:34:25,160 --> 02:34:23,970
those little people in UFOs we know

3712
02:34:26,570 --> 02:34:25,170
about these four you know like a long

3713
02:34:28,220 --> 02:34:26,580
time it's my grandfather

3714
02:34:30,410 --> 02:34:28,230
totally you know reports of this but

3715
02:34:32,570 --> 02:34:30,420
elderly or the current the researchers

3716
02:34:34,070 --> 02:34:32,580
bother to to go back to the time to do a

3717
02:34:35,511 --> 02:34:34,080
little bit of foot work do you think

3718
02:34:38,060 --> 02:34:35,521
that's part of the problem that we're

3719
02:34:39,591 --> 02:34:38,070
not getting that kind of stuff yes yes

3720
02:34:41,630 --> 02:34:39,601
because a lot of people that go into

3721
02:34:45,080 --> 02:34:41,640
this have their own preconceived ideas

3722
02:34:46,761 --> 02:34:45,090
of what UFOs should be so they want to

3723
02:34:49,520 --> 02:34:46,771
erase everything that doesn't fit into

3724
02:34:50,240 --> 02:34:49,530
what they believe in advance and I try

3725
02:34:51,890 --> 02:34:50,250
not to do that

3726
02:34:53,930 --> 02:34:51,900
I mean people may think of what they

3727
02:34:56,060 --> 02:34:53,940
want about me and my techniques of

3728
02:34:57,801 --> 02:34:56,070
publishing or researching but when it

3729
02:34:59,810 --> 02:34:57,811
comes to researching I'm a journalist so

3730
02:35:02,420 --> 02:34:59,820
I just tell what people tell me I mean I

3731
02:35:04,460 --> 02:35:02,430
try not to you know I mean some of the

3732
02:35:05,630 --> 02:35:04,470
publishers want you to do like seer eyes

3733
02:35:07,610 --> 02:35:05,640
a little and I guess you got to go along

3734
02:35:09,650 --> 02:35:07,620
with that you know John keel this

3735
02:35:11,690 --> 02:35:09,660
biggest theorizing of course and some

3736
02:35:13,220 --> 02:35:11,700
people researchers are better than

3737
02:35:14,570 --> 02:35:13,230
others and some just want to see

3738
02:35:16,400 --> 02:35:14,580
spaceships in the sky

3739
02:35:18,440 --> 02:35:16,410
I don't think spaceships are landing in

3740
02:35:20,301 --> 02:35:18,450
Pine Bush it's something else that's

3741
02:35:22,580 --> 02:35:20,311
going on up there but it's just as weird

3742
02:35:25,070 --> 02:35:22,590
to me it's a lot more interesting if

3743
02:35:28,011 --> 02:35:25,080
there are spaceships fine waved him

3744
02:35:31,070 --> 02:35:28,021
shake hands I'd like to just signing

3745
02:35:32,600 --> 02:35:31,080
today the farmer a gene in Wisconsin he

3746
02:35:35,301 --> 02:35:32,610
went on board the ship and they gave him

3747
02:35:35,810 --> 02:35:35,311
a pancake that's well that was really in

3748
02:35:38,720 --> 02:35:35,820
my

3749
02:35:42,020 --> 02:35:38,730
way of resolving well he got 486 the

3750
02:35:43,370 --> 02:35:42,030
terrestrials was an edible pancake thank

3751
02:35:47,301 --> 02:35:43,380
you very much

3752
02:35:48,740 --> 02:35:47,311
and it tasted like cardboard well I'd be

3753
02:35:50,421 --> 02:35:48,750
the first time some of the places we've

3754
02:35:52,400 --> 02:35:50,431
eaten that it tastes like cardboard too

3755
02:35:53,810 --> 02:35:52,410
doesn't it Tim Tim quickly tell our

3756
02:35:57,350 --> 02:35:53,820
listeners where they can find more of

3757
02:35:59,301 --> 02:35:57,360
the stuff you do conspiracy journal calm

3758
02:36:01,251 --> 02:35:59,311
which Tim Schwartz is actually the

3759
02:36:04,430 --> 02:36:01,261
webmaster and editor over there in

3760
02:36:07,251 --> 02:36:04,440
cyberspace I am the editor of the

3761
02:36:09,680 --> 02:36:07,261
physical a conspiracy Journal so just go

3762
02:36:11,660 --> 02:36:09,690
to conspiracy journal click on that

3763
02:36:13,551 --> 02:36:11,670
banner says free subscription right go

3764
02:36:15,410 --> 02:36:13,561
down is on type of my name Tim Schwartz

3765
02:36:17,600 --> 02:36:15,420
commander X you'll see all the books

3766
02:36:19,360 --> 02:36:17,610
then email me and I'll make you an offer

3767
02:36:22,490 --> 02:36:19,370
you can't refuse

3768
02:36:23,900 --> 02:36:22,500
we'll have to take you up on that Chris

3769
02:36:26,450 --> 02:36:23,910
our Brian where do we find more of your

3770
02:36:29,390 --> 02:36:26,460
stuff well of course I'm a moderator at

3771
02:36:31,730 --> 02:36:29,400
forum Dodd the podcast comm we have a

3772
02:36:35,001 --> 02:36:31,740
very lively community a very interesting

3773
02:36:37,730 --> 02:36:35,011
up to speed very smart people on there I

3774
02:36:39,381 --> 02:36:37,740
mean all our listeners to join up also I

3775
02:36:40,820 --> 02:36:39,391
have a website that we're gonna be

3776
02:36:44,841 --> 02:36:40,830
redoing here in the next couple of weeks

3777
02:36:47,541 --> 02:36:44,851
our strange planet calm hey thanks Chris

3778
02:36:49,190 --> 02:36:47,551
Tim Beckley Tim Swartz thank you both

3779
02:36:51,080 --> 02:36:49,200
for coming on this week on the power

3780
02:36:53,301 --> 02:36:51,090
cast always a pleasure

3781
02:37:03,171 --> 02:36:53,311
yes thank you very much I had a great

3782
02:37:07,820 --> 02:37:05,450
yes tis a calculated presentation of

3783
02:37:10,150 --> 02:37:07,830
making the impossible incorporated tune

3784
02:37:11,880 --> 02:37:10,160
in next week for a new adventure in a